With the exception of a couple, the closest other PLAAF bases are further away from Taiwan than Okinawa is for the USAF. Most Chinese fighters can’t even reach Taiwan, let alone operate over it.
This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCywRMr-y4The scenario presented here is a bit far fetched. A group of enemy aircraft is going to be high-tailing out of the area when planes start falling around them, without knowing who is firing, from where, how many of the enemy are there or if there’s a missile headed for you.
I think some people are overestimating them. China still has a pretty modest air force, in terms of technologically advanced airframes. It still has thousands of rust buckets it need to replace with J-10s and the like…which today are already nothing special and in 10 years time will be well past their time.
They’re doing good, but are nothing to worry about.
Only because they would be so spread out. And its that spread that makes the PLAAF unlikely to be able to carry out this “swarm” attack on Taiwan that is presented here.
By what I can tell China only has about 2 major air bases close enough to Taiwan to allow for things like J-7s to operate and have hope of reaching Taiwan. How many planes could these air bases stage? China just physically couldn’t mass that many short-range aircraft close enough to Taiwan.
Even most J-10s would have a hard time reaching Taiwan from further away bases, which are about 500 miles away. You can’t establish air superiority over Taiwan if your fighters can’t even reach the place. Su-27/J-11/Su-30 would bear the brunt of air-air fighting. But they are limited in number to a much smaller force.
This doesn’t leave much room for any “swarms”
Sure. Make it 1,000 4th gen fighters. Still most of them can’t reach Taiwan. Taiwan itself has about 350 4th gen fighters today. These are not very good looking odds for any attacker.
Sure. Everyone overreacts to everything these days. Leave it to journalists…
yeh, thats the show. Thanks for the link. I forgot how most of the scenarios were not though out well to say the least. Actually they were perfectly scripted for Hollywood movie where USAF is just winning everything unless they run into “bad luck” Still fun to watch, and see action with current aircraft engaging.
Fun to see Rafale with R-77s under the wings 🙂
As for B-1R, i don’t understand why it was supposed to carry only 24 Aim-120Ds and all externally? Wouldn’t it make sence to load them internally on
twp or three big rotating launchers?
Preserves stealth and speed.
Also, it did mention supercruise for B-1R ! which makes a lot of sence for fast deployment along with F-22
In think you are hugely underestimating Chinas current rate of growth.
Even now it would be very hard for USAF to fight Chinese airpower.
By the year USAF has 100 F-35s in available on two aircraft carriers, China will have double the amount of 4th gen and 4+ gen. multirole fighters. Plus who knows what else combined with home field advantage.
other than all that, yes, USAF wins on Paper with their more advanced technology.
B-1R?
in a word: useless
will be visible from way too far away on any half decent radar, and its lack of manouverability will allow any interceptor armed with long range missiles to shoot it down long before it gets into range to fire its own missiles (unless it uses very long range missiles which will be in range, but insufficiently manouverable to hit fighters anyway)
not if:
1. It was semi-stealthy as B1B – maybe a bit smaller and more stealthy in case new platform is assigned to be built.
2. Carried much much more powerfull/longer range radar speciffically built for long range AA attack. Longer range engagement that F-22
3. carried tens of long range AA missiles internally.
4. Flew speciffic mission with mayor AW support.
5. Flew with couple of F-22s as just in case dog fight support
Sorry for my lack of English.. Here we go again;
With a short range missile the missiles seeker has to see and lock-on(clear view) on the enemy fighter..right?
I know Short range missiles could be launched prior to a lock-on and guided on target, but it is not considered very effective.
In the F-22 case, it has special constructed weapons bay door which it can see through or something..On the Pak-Fa its different.
They constructed a ‘quick bay’ which in turn arming the missiles, they jettison the comformal covers hidding the missiles under each wing.
The short range missiles are semi-buried into the wing structure just like the R-33 missiles is on the Mig-31 underneath, just that they are not covered.Why have Sukhoi done this approach?
I believe its due to cost first and formost, but its a simple but genius design. You get a smaller design(no internal W-bay!) save space for more fuel.
Once the S-range missile are launched the bird got much less weight then it would with an extra W-bay..get it?The down side with this approach is of course RCS, but the question is this:
How much does this Comformal bay Covers produce in the first place?I think Sukhoi have a sound approach here, remember this birds gonna be a lot cheaper than than both F-35 and god forbid the F-22..;)
Hey Biotr Butowski could be wrong and so could i.. but i will be very surprised if those Short missiles bay in the wing root is infact an internal W-bay..!
your english is far better than mine,
Thanks for explaining more.
So after the missile is launched, there will be uneven surface with missile mount exposed as the covers are ejected, kind of like on Mig-31 without R-33. I would love to see this open- armed and without missile.
I was hoping for open-launch-close type of cover for half recessed missile.
by the way, Haavarla, is this confirmed? Do you have any info on which missile will fit there, and will the wings be folded. Any info would do.
best regards, and thanks again.
funny, just yesterday i was thinking about this B1R concept. There is a lot of need for this in my opinion for USAF in near future. It would be very good initial strike, “clear the air” platform. I watched one good 2 hour long program about USAF future engagements against best of todays 4+ and 5th gen. foreign fighters. It spoke about B1R carrying only longest range AIM-120s and i think over 30 of them if i remember correctly. It would also potentially carry laser for destroying Mig-31s and so on. I wish i recorded it.
Any photos, CGIs?
Nothing on KnAAPO/Sukhoi webside as of yet..
Those Wing root missile compartment is called ‘comformal missile bay’.
In order to see inside those, the plates covering it would have to be removed.
On a launch, the cover are jettison just like a DT.
not sure i understand. Do they open to release the missile, and than close in air after missile is launched?
.. or you mean they “eject” after missile launch?? That would suck.
glad i checked in right on time 🙂
I wanna see wing root missile compartment open !!
not sure if this one was posted here before.
I like it a lot.
Serious military will tell their political leadership, there is no military way to prevent serious harm from the Serbian people. Those have to look for a political solution or give in to avoid desaster. The real outcome in mind the Serbian military and civilians died for nothing. 😡
.. Or, .. serious army such as nato should never think to make such mistake as bomb Serbian people. Its not that simple. Many Serbian people and families died in Kosovo Serbia because they were minority getting harrased and kicked out by KLA terrorist groups n their on homeland. Death “game” went back and forth. In any case country doesn’t defend its people by capitulating and easily giving up major region, letting its citizens defend themselves against armed guerillas.
F-117 was used as a dark knight to hit wrong targets, taking its own risk. It got hit as well. It was lucky for pilots that they survived such hits.
Let me ask this:
If Serbia had S300 and THOR M1 integrated systems then, would it be serious mistake according to you to attack Serbia knowing many NATO pilots would certainly go down and likely get killed?
Maybe then it would be unwise (according to your logic) to attack Serbia because of certain higher number of Nato deaths.
I apologies for continuing slight off topic discussion.
Well, that’s what happens when the country is on a brink of civil war. Similar happened in Yugoslavia. Its not that they ordered air force to bomb civilians. That just doesn’t happen.
Its more likely that due to Benghazi city falling to position control, they are ordering airforce to bomb any weapons storage facilities, barracks, buildings so they won’t be used by oposition to arm themselves and start real war against government.
Well, that’s what happens when the country is on a brink of civil war. Similar happened in Yugoslavia. Its not that they ordered air force to bomb civilians. That just doesn’t happen.
Its more likely that due to Benghazi city falling to position control, they are ordering airforce to bomb any weapons storage facilities, barracks, buildings so they won’t be used by oposition to arm themselves and start real war against government.
T-50-2 should make the first taxi trials at the end of next week.
about time!!, damn.
this thread almost started to rust from lack of fresh photographs!!
I can’t wait any longer to find out internal bay missile layout. Is it 6 or 8 R-77s between engines? Or is it some R-77 version that is leaner? What about wing root semi-external stealth bays. That can definitely store one missile max. Is it officially confirmed to be a missile bay?
Its been too long since new pics came out.
thanks
B model is indeed amazing looking bird. Is it still in prototype stage, or is J-10 entering service as B model now only? Also, i’m curious if it has other major upgrades over original J-10?
thanks
you guys are kidding, right! Of course there is weapons bay.
When you get clear picture of the bottom and sides (such as this one of f-117) you’ll see the lines, and positions.
now, lets get real, and lets get more photos before we kill each other over blurry dark photos.
beeep