Al and I found nothing – must have trodden on it. Oh well, back for another look sometime, hopefully with some clues from Oskar.
There are a couple of Valentine tanks in Findhorn bay. Apparently whilst practising for the Normandy landings it was thought that flotation rings and propellors would be a good idea.
One of the tanks is lying in 15 metres of water and looks as if someone just parked it there. Perhaps one was breaking up in shallow water?
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Al and I found something which might be of interest.
Elliott, of the Whitley_project was visiting this area to conduct the ultimately disappointing Quarrywood excavation – see http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=100641
Anyway, whilst he was here we decided to investigate the crash site of Whitley P5006 – see http://www.griffon.clara.net/19/19otu_aircraft_master.htm
A sister of one of the crash victims had given him a map reference for the site, and had asked if Elliott could take some pictures of the cairn on top of the hill, which she said she’d helped to build with her father.
After scrambling around in a treacherous ravine, Elliott found a couple of aircraft panels, which he left in situ. We then climbed the hill and took some photos of the cairn. We didn’t find the actual crash site though.
A few days later, Al and I decided to investigate, and using Google Earth and the photo on the 19 OTU website taken from the crash site, we worked out roughly where the site was. At the time of the photo, 1945, the hill was bare. Now it’s a forestry plantation. Referencing the view from the crash site photo was difficult, as we couldn’t see the view for the trees.
After a search in the forest, around the location we’d worked out, we found a jumble of rocks and couple of pieces of wreckage. The rocks and the wreckage looked to us as if they’d been put there. See the photo below.

We thought that this must have been the remains of the cairn built by the victims father in 1945, not the one on the peak, as the sister was only 3 years old at the time and cairns on the peaks of mountains are common. We cleaned off the moss and rebuilt the cairn as below.

This is the present day view from the same location as the 1945 photo:

I forwarded the photos above to Elliott, so he can pass them on along with this information to the crash victims sister.
Other pics from the site:


All photos courtesy of Al.
I think I can speak for Al here too – it was satisfying to be able to add something to the story of this aircraft and its crew.
I felt a bit of a prat, as I’d encouraged Elliott with the stories Al and I had heard. With the components found on the surface I was sure the dig would be very productive. However, as Elliott kindly said, it had to be crossed off the list.
Hint taken Tim. Next time I’m in Elgin…
Good call there, Plazz and Anon. 🙂
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Hi Tim – Have you ever read Catch-22?
OOH! Clearing the yard! I bet there’s lots of interesting stuff underneath what we scrambled over. I’d be be pleased to be there and make the call about what’s scrap and what’s worth saving. I bet Al would feel the same. That would be a really interesting day out, and I suspect many subscribers to this thread will be overcome with envy.
You’re welcome to stay in Rothes if you can make it for the big day. Better to put the Premier Inn bill towards the scrap price of aluminium alloy!
Do you, like me, get the impression that the owner appreciates that his yard contains some worthwhile history? On the other hand, from his point of view, lots of alloy is lots of money….
Scrapyard Status
Apparently, this yard was abandoned by the owners due to new legislation some years ago. Apart from the aircraft parts, many tons of ferrous scrap have been left there. Parts of the ground are soaked with contaminants too. To remove the scrap would involve the local council, SEPA, and various other official bodies with an interest in expensive contaminated land reclamation.
It would appear that the owner is leaving it as is, hoping it’ll be forgotten, to prevent any official bodies becoming involved in a task that could be very expensive.
He won’t sell, or otherwise allow the removal or disposal of material from the site…
Sea Venom – you’re right. Don’t know where I got the Lightning idea from. There were quite a few Sea Venoms scrapped at that location and I can’t think of any other Lightning parts that were in the yard.
Corrections and ideas are always welcome.
Anybody got ideas about the tail section shown above, and in Al’s earlier pic?

Tail cone – Ballioll? SCimitar? – See Als earlier photo for a different view.

Lightning mainwheel?

Jaguar jet efflux?

Jaguar jet efflux again?
A native, possibly Stig of the Dump’s grandad, took an interest as Whitley_Project, Max, lankytim and I explored the yard. We were warned off, but managed to convince him we weren’t going to burn down the yard, slice ourselves to bits or steal any treasure.
“Similarly, half a dozen nutters with a bag of fertiliser have managed to turn the justice system upside down. They didn’t vote either. They made it happen all by themselves.”
That’s no way to talk about the National farmers union…….
Lucky I didn’t say hydrogen peroxide. I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of militant hairdressers.
“Similarly, half a dozen nutters with a bag of fertiliser have managed to turn the justice system upside down. They didn’t vote either. They made it happen all by themselves.”
That’s no way to talk about the National farmers union…….
Lucky I didn’t say hydrogen peroxide. I wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of militant hairdressers.
I’m getting off topic a bit, but agreed PMN, see my post #35 at http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=99291&page=2