thanks wys
probably to do with how fast the crew can do their engine off checks!
there are people (including me) on here that are actually engineers involved in the design and POSSIBLE redesign of the a350, and its nice to see the levels of confidence shown by some of you armchair experts.
There are many new challenges involved with the technology we are using for the wing and there are more than a few of us that wonder just how Boeing are coming along in that department………..suffice to say that we have heard rumours of a metal wing for that project……no bad thing.
The airlines will wait if it is the aircraft they want.
thankyou grey area, how could i have possibly thought otherwise?
there is more than one aircraft.
380 is cancelled for families day, there will be flypasts on the 18th instead……….too much certification work to be done, apparantly…..
As a share holder I say good move.
Paul
As a person who helped make i work, I call it a bad move.
380 is cancelled for families day, there will be flypasts on the 18th instead……….too much certification work to be done, apparantly…..
I guess it all comes down to relative sizes………i.e. what size will the ‘wings’ be on this design? A330 ish? As you know Vega, the fuel in a wing is a very effective damper, and can prove quite useful in keeping loading under control, so I personally cant see them making empty wings, especially with all that volume going to waste……….you could put a cavity between the ‘wings’ and the ‘fuselage’ to create a safety barrier should there be a tank rupture in that area.
Vega,
I’m not up on the effects of crashes, do you know how many survivable crashes have had ruptured fuel tanks?
I wonder what proportion of the ‘fuselage’ would be taken up with the cabin interior? I can see that it would probably be able to have dual use, carrying both respectable passenger and freight payloads in upper and lower decks.
Having the fuel in-line or above the cabin deck would need some innovative thinking. Besides this, fuel systems can be made to vent between wings during lateral manouveres, and during some failure cases. I wouldnt like to see systems pipes running under the cabin deck, between wings!
sferrin,
1.No aircraft has had between 2 and 4 T7 sized engines hanging off the end of the tailplane. If one/some engines were to stop, a significant amount of drag, above the CG would develop. This would change the aircraft trim, moving the CG aft, an aft CG reduces the stability of the design. The control system would, of course, be required to balance these forces aerodynamically. You either make this engine failure case a control system design criteria in the overall aircraft design, driving positions/sizes of control surfaces, and engine placement, or you try to be innovative. Jettisoning the engine pods, to my mind IS innovative.
2. Should the aircraft have a succesful ditching or forced landing we have the problem of getting people out. Given that the aerodynamicists have successfully argued that disturbing the leading edge is worse than the cost of putting the exit doors/sections at the back, we have to put the doors at the rear. The following possibilities exist….
a. passengers must wait until the engines have run down, ensured that there are no fires, or ruptured pipes and that there is no debris in the way of clear exits, then they can exit.
b.the engines are still turning and a fan disk disintegrates, spraying the cabin with hot molten metal (should the metal puncture ballistic protection).
c. same thing applies to a ditching and you have the added urgency of a sinking, which will be nose down, ensuring that passengers will need to climb to the exit if the evacuation should need to be delayed.
d.options a to c wouldnt happen in real-life(tm) because everyone would be scrambling for the nearest exit. jettisoning a rear section of the aircraft, and it wouldnt neccessarily have to include the engine pods, provides ample exit room.
Of course, these are all options, but it is intersting to play with the idea’s to see what comes of them……for example, how do you get the fuel from the tanks to the engines?? in current aircraft its basically 3 metres of pipe from tank to combustor, but in a BWB there’s allot of (uphill!) pipe to consider………
coanda
Yep, peoples perceptions will change, it’ll attract some people because it is novel, but you have to cater for the general populace and I think we all agree that they can be a tricky bunch!
The idea of jettisoning the rear fuselage has been seriously considered in reports, having spoken to people in the know, simply because its a fast way out, and its better (aerodynamically, and structurally) than putting doors in the leading edge!.
We are now starting to see that aerodynamic improvements available with today’s ‘standards’ is yielding smaller and smaller increases as we refine our work and methods more and more. This is going to happen to engine technology aswell, as time goes on so a point will be reached where, unless somthing drastic is done, no further competitive advantage can be gained. This is true of aerodynamics, engines, and structures.
The current rules, whilst providing safety for users are hindering the innovation of the aerospace companies in my opinion. As an example the A330 has a centre spar which forms a tank boundary, besides its main structural purpose. This boundary is placed in such a way that it cannot be penetrated by a fan blade, should one come loose, in order to ensure that only one tank is ever damaged by penetration through the covers. This is true of ‘other’ aircraft also.
Today we have (admittedly large) engines which come fitted with ballistic blanket protection as standard which has been proven to contain a burst disk event. So, knowing that, we could remove the central spar, slightly redesign the front and rear spars, and save ourselves some weight or increase our range (take your pick). Problem: the rules formed in the 50’s say that the tanks must be seperated as a matter of redundancy…………so we now have uneeded multiple redundancy from rules which are not in-line with current thinking………..and an advantage going to waste!
coanda
maybe I should just bow to your armchair expertise? perhaps you could come and do my job for me?
sferrin, I dont have the time to walk you through why people make the decisions they do, safe to say, better informed than you have things in hand. I think by ‘British thing’ you mean the Vickers VC10.
seahawk, I’m not sure how the idea would scale down to 737 size.
go on then, here’s one………..

well, june 10th is the families day for at least filton and broughton
plenty different, for a start there is more than one engine.