Things dont move that fast in aviation, you may be surprised Sandy…..we are still using analysis programs designed in fortran during the early 80’s.

However, if the rudder is a honeycomb/sandwich construction, there are significant differences throughout the parts life from design to failure.

Boeing will still have to contend with pressure cycling causing delamination (along with water (through condensation) ingress possibly causing delamination when it freezes).

I’m not knocking it, because i still see this as the best place for composites, from personal experience.

i think i remember being told about a fatality on a test……someone falling off the top of a slide??

go go gadget moderator…….

well, you really want sharpness to be as little as possible, and the colour to normal. you need to be setting quality and size to max.

then try it out round the house………do it at a number of different settings so that you can see the difference.

your results will be worse if you sharpen even more.

ahh yes, well the IRA has everything to do with your accusations of us arming/enlightening other countries………

terrell, i gave up on this forum long ago because of people like you, who accuse others of having unchangeable (and soo obviously incorrect……) opinions, and yet possess such a belief in your own righteousness.

you quote other peoples opinions and expect me to believe them as fact are you actually all-there??

you can’t quote any official line on any of this, yet you expect us to lay down and say that you are of course, totally correct, and boy, didnt we get it wrong……what an idiot.

nothing you put in your posts is backed up with hard and fast evidence………

I think you will find that your country has plenty invested in china.

and i wish you would stop using plural terms when referring to somthing (one hopes.) you have no hand in, i.e. the actual decision making process)

I wouldnt be worried about that list if I was selling to someone that had mutually traded with us for 50 years, and if my track record for all encompassing f*ck-ups was as good as the US’s. I’d be worried if I was the customer.

here endeth my input to another ill-informed rantathon of a thread on the key publishing forums……..when its not chinese/inidian/pakistan flamewars its arrogant americans………….

Points on monopolisation:

1. Should the US decide to withdraw support for British JSF, say as a political squeeze, the aircraft will be rendered ineffective in a short period of time.

2. Computer viruses are everywhere. These could be passed via datalink to aircraft, with the purpose of shutting down systems.

3. As I understand it, no modifications, structural or otherwise can be made to the aircraft unless done so by the manufacturer. This will render aircraft combat ineffective due to down-time, and time away from the squadron, at the start and towards the end of its career, thats if it is a good product.

4. The US may offer at will, whatever upgrades it wishes, to whomever it wishes. This may well render the aircraft combat ineffective in the future when the UK cannot afford over priced (read: monopolised) single source parts.

Points on secret leakeage and feeding of technology to oveseas potentially ‘hostile’ countries.

1.Proof or retract the statement from your post.

2.Someone elses personal opinion holds no water with me.

3. The US is/was one of the largest funding bodies for the IRA, supplying both money and equipment. Indeed, the US administration turned a blind eye to the situation for a number of years (hows that for a ‘special’ relationship)

4. Chances are, the US has more than one foreign citizen passing secrets back to their country of origin.

5.Whilst the UK is a member of the EU it does not have to share its research and technology experience in anyway way shape or form, especially, as stated in your quoted article, the 20% research figure is someones opinion. You can bet that no other country will be opening its doors to every pan european man and his dog.

6. A ‘strategic partnership’ with russia and china probably extends to manufacturing items on the cheap, in those countries, we may not be american, but we are not insane either!

7. Galileo……..so what?? perhaps the EU wants a more up-to-date, non-single source method of navigation, which is expandable for use by just about everyone, in a n umber of ways that the current GPS sat system cannot do. No-one here knows the ins-and-outs of how that system works in terms of who gets what, and at what resolution.

8. You quoted that article in order to get what you want. I’d prefer a non-biased (read: not sarcastic) objective, authoratative article (can you provide that?)

Couple of notes on JSF.

1.The vertical mode FCS is of British design and origin.

2.The general design concept is of British origin (check out ‘British Secret Projects’) The shape is also very reminiscent of the REPLICA project, which has proved that we do not need the US to design a low observable combat aircraft.

3. This countries EM/IR knowledgebase is sizeable and has definitiely contributed to the low observable nature of the aircraft, whether through this or previous aircraft, I know this from personal experience.

4. The STOVL lift fan concept hinges on British design (although the concept really originates from Yak).

For all these reasons, which makes the aircraft what it is, we deserve our fair, agreed, share of this aircraft.

I suppose no-one has a copy of the original contract (before it was changed!)

Coanda

it is not possible to do this if you cannot integrate the hardware and associated software with the aircrafts own hardware/software systems.

To do this, you at least need to know how to interact with the onboard software.

This whole issue is about monopolisation.

Under the terms that seem to be in place today, the US could shut down every jsf aircraft wherever it is, owned by anybody, pretty much at the flick of a switch. This is a very slippery slope.

Undoubtedly we could develop our own aircraft, the americans know that, and undoubtedly we would loose out big-time financially, and the americans know that too.

It seems to me that the current US administration is tinkering with things that it has absolutely no right to do so (signed and sealed agreements).

still, when you’ve got the most bricks, you’ll always be able to smash all the glass houses before your’s comes down around you. (or at least I believe that is the current US administration mentality.)