i remember hearing some where that if you deployed this manouver in a dogfight, that unless the opponant is directly behind you and very close your as good as dead?? i can imagen for the chasing plane its just a case of nose up, gun burst, bye bye fighter?

I have to disagree with you about the nhs! the nhs is a great organisation and ok some times they don’t get things right, but the alternative is that the poor or needy don’t deserve healthcare and I strongly disagree with this. also you take the Mick out f the numbers that it employs but that’s the point as the biggest organisation in Europe it employs nearly 1 million employee’s I believe. the last thing this country needs is another million unemployed.

I don’t know why Wiki is actually really useful for stuff like this.

lol I know but it was frowned upon in university and since then it sort of feels like a guilty pleasure to read and quote it lol. also I sort of fear it, its like George Orwell was saying in 1984, about what the ministry writes becomes the truth. sooner or later whatever wiki writes will become fact! because people will believe it! for example in 20 years Briton might have been conquered in 1069 by the Normans if wiki say’s it was!

LOL a few extra billion lets do the maths! ok so you want 7 100,000 ton carriers. wiki the fountain of all knowledge states that the Gerald ford class will cost 9 billion each not including the research and development costs! so seven of those is 63 Billion dollars which is about 38 billion I think. then say if we make more ocean’s because there cheap today’s prices I think it was agreed on another thread of about 300m so 7 of those is another 2.1 billion and these only have a lifespan of 20 years. so to match the carriers you would need 14 of these produced plus the facilities to build such large number I would say a conservative guestimate of 5 billion pounds. which takes us to 43 billion pounds, not to mention the escorts, supply ships, construction facilities and massive increase in navy personnel required to man such a up taking. Although I am probably way off with the number but I have confessed many time imp no expert! I think even this prove how it would be impossible and any gov that tried it should and would be lynched! It would be interesting to have somebody who knows the numbers price this up though!

it seems to me that in the next 20 years the worlds oceans are going to be packed with carriers again! exciting i think 😀

i know it would mean going STOVL. for me it would make sense i imagen that a CTOL carrier will be much more expensive to maintain and what with the extra training i cannot see the point in keeping it ctol if alls your bringing to the fight is A-4! much better to have a cheaper to maintain and train carrier with harriers or maybe with the money saved invest in some F35b’s. but then again maybe there sumthing i have missed im no expert on carriers.

Surely they have to buy new aircraft! I cant really imagine a scenario in which a compliment of A-4s is useful? other than a naval race role or fighting against very poor opponents. If I was them I would put a ski ramp on it and buy sum Harriers from sum were or AV-8B’s.

although i do like the sound of using the goshawk as a light attack aircraft but i believe it only has 1 hardpoint under each wing but i have no idea how easy/hard it would be to convert a hawk into a decent attack plane ……. but thats another thread another time maybe.