ELPNot news. During OEF and OIF, you often have lawyers present at the targeting process. They could override decisions, it’s very common to have super-strict ROE now.
Avoiding violation of any rules is actually more important than completing the mission…
When it crosses the line into dereliction of duty, then there is a problem. A flag ranker or two needs to be fired over this.
ELPUSAF- ( this goes with the downsized USAF that is happening now )
B2
B1 ( with replaced flight controls and avionics and other healthy things to improve mission up time
B-52 as is
R&D into a new manned bomber
Tanker-
KC-10 Replacement program in the works for a KC-777
KC-767
Airlift-
C-5 with the engine and avionics upgrade including A models ( speed this whole program up
Cargo/Pax convertable 777-200LR ( 1 squadron ) with A2A refuel ability
C-17 current airframe numbers
C-130J Re-invest and re capitalize as a Multi-national team effort for total customer satisfaction, including spread out workshare, and a tiger team of some sort to produce a killer program so it can do all legacy mission sets. Set this up as a block upgrade program for existing and new builds
C-27 for:
–USAF Special ops as needed
–Air National Guard
–U.S. Army Aviation
–USMC if they feel a need for it
C2ISR-
U2
Global Hawk
E-10
AWACs
Other special airframes ( Predator etc )
Consider looking at the 737 Wedgetail and or same sensor suite on a 767.
Small shooter platforms
F-22 to about 300-400 airframes
F-15E ( put the early small motor Es out to pasture )
F-16 Block 6x ( inspired by USAF requirements ) All F-16s put in the National Guard with some being a “blended wing” with some active duty onboard.
F-16 Block 4x and below put out to pasture
A-45 UCAV ( 2 wings with 3 squadrons with one full unit of issue ready for flight and 4 times the unit of issue in storage )
A-10 ( with the current PE upgrade of course ) ( National Guard and AFRES )
R&D for FB-22
Kill V-22
Kill JSF ( partners can be issued a check to get their partnership money back )
USN
-More F-18E/F and then trickle down to a low rate production
-R&D a no peer F-22_like performance jet ( 1 squadron per carrier deck )
-1 aircraft carrier set up for nothing but X-45/47 UCAV, kept stateside on a blue/gold crew alert.
USMC
F-18E/F
C-130J
New Heavy helos as needed. Other support aircraft and helos as needed.
ELPCENTCOM just called. They want to read that everytime as part of a pre attack checklist for UCAVs. They think it will help make the decision of pushing the button much easier. 😀 :dev2: :p
ELPSorry… try this link
ELPWho do you guys think will be the repub. and democratic nominees going through the primaries and what pairings should do well .
For me , i would think a Rudy G and C. Rice pairing (either way ) or a Mccain and Rudy G pairiing should appeal to republicans ( again going by todays standard cuz a lot can happen when the candidates start campaigning ) . I want bill frist to jump in cuz he is one of the most inteligent senators out there if you have ever had the opp. to talk to the dude .
For the Dems i would go with gore , clinton ( again either way) or a edwards biden pairings ..
What do you guys think!!
Both professional Republicans and professional Democrats are rank traitors. Neither have the interest of what America should be at heart. Both are selling out the country whole sale with a big “For Sale” sign on our map. On one side you have war cheerleaders rooting for useless expeditionary warfare over useless dirt, and the other an “opposition” party that lets the other party run right over the consititution. Most have never served a day in uniform and the few that have, most were REMFs. Even serving being a combat vet doesn’t seem especially helpful as people like Duke Cunningham are criminals. McCain thinks we should all speak Mex and have no border security against a 4th generation warfare enemy by-any-other-name pouring through our south border.
Most are bought and paid for by special interest, some even foreign special interest. Both are putting us in a path that will put our country so far down the crapper it will take a swan dive to save it. One party wears a hat with a red star, hammer and sickle, and the other wears a hat with a combination corporation logo and swastika. Both waste an insane amount of tax dollars with huge federal programs that offer neither security, good infastructure or other worth. Be completely delusional and vote for a D or an R and don’t worry, Walmart will save us all. D and R = enemy of the state.
ELPWho do you guys think will be the repub. and democratic nominees going through the primaries and what pairings should do well .
For me , i would think a Rudy G and C. Rice pairing (either way ) or a Mccain and Rudy G pairiing should appeal to republicans ( again going by todays standard cuz a lot can happen when the candidates start campaigning ) . I want bill frist to jump in cuz he is one of the most inteligent senators out there if you have ever had the opp. to talk to the dude .
For the Dems i would go with gore , clinton ( again either way) or a edwards biden pairings ..
What do you guys think!!
Both professional Republicans and professional Democrats are rank traitors. Neither have the interest of what America should be at heart. Both are selling out the country whole sale with a big “For Sale” sign on our map. On one side you have war cheerleaders rooting for useless expeditionary warfare over useless dirt, and the other an “opposition” party that lets the other party run right over the consititution. Most have never served a day in uniform and the few that have, most were REMFs. Even serving being a combat vet doesn’t seem especially helpful as people like Duke Cunningham are criminals. McCain thinks we should all speak Mex and have no border security against a 4th generation warfare enemy by-any-other-name pouring through our south border.
Most are bought and paid for by special interest, some even foreign special interest. Both are putting us in a path that will put our country so far down the crapper it will take a swan dive to save it. One party wears a hat with a red star, hammer and sickle, and the other wears a hat with a combination corporation logo and swastika. Both waste an insane amount of tax dollars with huge federal programs that offer neither security, good infastructure or other worth. Be completely delusional and vote for a D or an R and don’t worry, Walmart will save us all. D and R = enemy of the state.
ELPWell, funny the USAF doesn’t seem to feel that way as they plan on the F-35 being its biggest weapons procurement project in decades and maybe history. On the otherhand if you want to talk about waste I totally agree. With the Super Hornet being a perfect example. The US doesn’t need a fleet of Super Hornets, Lightnings, and Raptors. When a fleet on just two could do the job better and at a lower price! Just think of the saving……………add “500” more F-35’s to the planned ~2500 already planned! Then consider the common support, logistics, training, and the list goes on and on……………..and in the end you get a more capable aircraft to boot! The US Goverment is full of cases just like this that offer no real value to the US Taxpayer! The Navy has it’s Aircraft, the Air Force has another? The USMC has it’s Helocopter, The Army has another? While, in some cases a Military Service does have a requirement for a specialize type that the other services don’t need. This is really not that often………….duplication in the US Military is rampant and a waste! Which, is disgraceful when the country needs equipment like you listed………….Tankers,Air Lift, Ships, C2IRS, etc. etc. 😡
Unfortuneately “JSF” and “Value” don’t hold too well in the same sentence:
-F-18, F-16, and F-22 are in production now. F-22 builds going beyond the 183 or what ever it is, is a good idea.
…where the current number buy of F-22 and legacy fighters and or an increase in F-22 builds and new legacy fighters, is the way to go.
Twin PGM racks and quad SDB racks all on a new CFT F-16 where the enemy large SAMs and airpower are already beat down, makes for a nice day of plinking. Ditto with AESA F-18E/F. All that has a nice value.
-If JSF was concerned about saving money, they would dump the B model and be much more “joint”. But no, the bad idea that some just have to have a B like mission will go on for little to no warfighting value, yet a huge dollar expense/drag on the whole program.
-JSF won’t be so cheap without the current production delay. The delay is good. How expensive is it to go back and tire patch all the really dumb engineering screw ups on your first 400 to 500 jets because you started production with less than 1% of the flight testing complete? This was one of the problems originally with Super Hornet. Not enough flight testing before full production started.
ELPand we don’t need Manned Aircraft, nor Guns in Aircraft, Aircraft Carriers, etc. etc.
Huh? Don’t follow.
Look at any air plan USAF does and how it kills the first few nights of a war and you can see that for USAF, JSF adds up to waste. Especially when there are tons of other things USAF needs….. now. All kinds of people programs, logistics, roadmaps for other airframes that actually give real value to the fight ( airlift, tanker, C2ISR etc etc). The new hired temp help chairwarming no-knowledge of the USAF waste of space ( Sec USAF ) isn’t much help either. So while congress and other senior leadership dictate we need a smaller USAF, the current plan of making JSF part of that, is hurting other needed assets. Not smart, not good. It is only good for industry in this day and age where the industry “tail” ( more than ever ), is wagging the warfighter “dog”. A serious, serious problem.
ELPThe carrier capability might have led into a political mine field for Japan though.
You mean like the license build F-4 Phantom?
ELPMaybe you should listen to yourself? According to you the Hornet doesn’t have room for growth and the USN just couldn’t get by until the F-35 Lightning entered service! Well, maybe you should walk over to the USAF for a day as there world must be crumbling down around them. 😮 As they have a much larger fleet of older F-16 Blk 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s! Surely, you are now saying that F-16’s have more growth potential than a F/A-18C/D? Are You? Also, I have no idea how the USAF is going to get by as when the Lightning does enter service as she won’t be able to replace all of those F-16’s all at one time. Lastly why would anyone want half a Airwing of Second-Day Strike Fighters and another with First-Day Strike Fighters. When you could have a whole Airwing of First-Day Strike Fighters……..you’ve totally lost me here. That like saying I can bring two cars to the race track. This years car and last years…………… :p
Not really. Once current airframes and assets – F-22 , B-2, JASSM, and other things kill off enemy airpower and large SAMs, JSF isn’t even needed. Legacy jets can then bomb to their hearts content from 30-40k with todays PGMs and not even get touched. The theory that the USAF needs JSF is an empty case.
However, going back to the Navy, an uber fighter of similar no peer killing ability to F-22 flying off the carrier deck where one squadron per deck is the unit of issue, is exactly what is needed. Dumb flag rank officers not withstanding.
ELPAh the days of sniffing model airplane glue. :diablo:
ELPStill don’t know if that matters much. Again JSF has only done 1% of it’s flight testing. AESA Super Hornet is about to get the good house keeping seal. Goofiness of F-18E/F procurement and it’s wheezing performance aside, the air to ground ability it has is nice, and again for CAS or thinning of the herd/equipment plinking before our troops even make contact… A two seater F-18F gathering targets to hand off to an endless freight train of fixed wing airpower coming out of the JSTARS stack, does some great work coordinating things to kill. This was proven in the opening of OIF/2003 and will get even more scary with when the AESA jet hits the field. While I ( as the overstressed tax payer ) would have preferred something more common with a C Hornet for new builds, this is what we have. And given all of our other collosal procurement screw ups, we need new airframes as starting with the end of the cold war till now, we have put a lot of hours on F-18C’s. A lot. So be it as it may, we have the SH.
My point is, that as I have a bias for a strong carrier air wing, and being as just to equip, man and sustain a carrier battle group has nothing to do with saving money, I want one uber_meat_eating air domination fighter squadron on the carrier deck. The USN deserves nothing but something like this. And as long as we play the moronic role of Team America: World Police, we need this. Now it looks like we will for sure, no kidding, be stuck with JSF. This doesn’t remove the practical need for immediate planning to put a no peer F-22 performance class jet on the carrier deck.
ELPSpecialised aircraft without any “joint” in their name often become very popular with the service using them (Tomcat), but did not often score any worthwile export orders. The inclusion of “partners” is useful, but the concept of partnership has to be understood. I think only few partners really question the defintion of the F-35, they actually question the workshare. US companies and defence department want to have all sensitive parts for their own, actually not difficult to understand for me. But the partners want to have more out of the project than building ash-trays and landing-gear doors.
Experience shows that more partners normally results in a less optimised aircraft, which is hence less capable for a special mission. On the other hand it is build in larger numbers and more affordable to export customers, which normally have less specific requirements. Good example are the Russian aircraft MiG-23 to -29, which were designed for one customer, and proved to perform mediocre in other air forces.
My only interest is a no-peer aviation wing on the carrier deck. A real, real scary one. JSF, being such a wide program, means we will have one of the most technically compromised aircraft flying off of a carrier deck. So compromised, that the Chinese will be deploying knock-offs of this thing by 2020.
ELPOh too much bug bashing here. By the way, anyone actually in the Navy here?
If one was of any high order, it would mean you sit down, shut up and enjoy the plane with a new car smell.
ELPWell, I guess we could just sit on our collective hands and do nothing about Iran’s Nuclear Project and let them build bombs that could kill millions! Ohhhh, I forgot that is what we are doing……………………….. 🙁
At least Israel has some guts…….. 😎
Oh yeah. Bombing Iran is a real smart move. Thats all that is needed for spooling up an extra wave of insurgent warfare in Iraq in large quantity. We don’t have enough manpower there to contain things with the current situation.
Also $10 a gallon gas because of any number of things that bombing them can cause.
We talked to Stalin and every other Soviet and Chicom in the coldwar, yet we don’t talk to Iran because of some little dust up that happened 27 years ago? Dumb with a capital D.
No matter our M.E. policy is owned by AIPAC lock, stock and barrel. That by itself = we are screwed.
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