TWO BAD IDEAS

Thats real smart. Give them a stealth aircraft. That will really make the situation better over there. :rolleyes:

Be an excellent way to bleed more tech to the chicoms too.

Great, now educate yourself on how it was procured here in the U.S.
The Weather J was all true. Visited the unit early on did you? Labling something as “teething troubles” associated with a new type is not the same thing as criminal procurement methods.
Also, having the aircraft thown on us when we didn’t ask for it is stupid also. You may want to see how that all panned out with the C-130 SPO here.
Turning a wrench/maintenance on the aircraft…. duh….. yeah well it’s a new airframe and new tech so it is going to be easier to turn than a 30 or more year old aircraft. As for the aircraft doing any bread and butter herk duties here in the U.S. That didn’t happen right away. It took a lot of work caused ( not as a natural result of bringing in an aircraft type that was well procured and tested ) but as a result of having to coordinate numerous colors of money and extensive fixes after the fact, which produced a lot of extra work that wouldn’t have had to be done had things been planned out long term in the first place. Get it? Don’t know about your air force on this but here the procurement of big ticket items is becoming more of a fact where a program is more likely to be criminally screwed up in the procurement process than not. It is a huge problem. Here C-130J, F-18E/F, Stryker are just three examples of how not to do it. Every screw up like this is less dollars available for other budget items that aren’t screwed up.

sorry I posted in the wrong thread

dont have time to deal with this properly now…too late and the joys of going to work beckon…..BUT

what about walking down to the corner of a certain street ( theres one on most cities and big towns )and buying a small automatic…usually for less than US$ 75….might not take down a bear but it could give your average human a bad start to the day…

guns are too readily available in america either legally or not….

and before you ask no i didnt!!! we arnt all terrosits over here either…just like the Lebanese and the Palestinians!!!

AND WELCOME DJ WONDERED WHEN YOU WOULD APPEAR!!!! :dev2:

Fear a government that fears your guns. Sorry you don’t understand that. BTW, how long have you lived in the U.S.?

Actually that is knowhere near enough said, I have said all along the terrorism link was BS, but it does not make the liberation of the Iraqi people wrong.

Good, we can have you pick up a rifle and do it.

Without Iraq and Afghanistan they’d be free to focus their attention over here. Better to shake out all the rats over there where the military can deal with them than to try to shake them out over here. Take all those terrorists over there and bring them over here and imagine the magnitude of the problem.

Huh? Without Iraq and Afganistan we could use manpower to properly do real GWOT not the ersatz kind:

-Get a handle on our Visa controls in country here: Most of 911 was due to sloppy control of visiting foreign nationals.
-Better port and airport security, not some moronic DHS. Including we would have more coast guard manpower to work on this issue and not using our coast guard overseas which = dumb
-Not having over 2600 troops die for useless dirt for a useless mission.
-Better diplomacy. Engage Iran with words. We talked to Stalin, and every Soviet after him and we talked to Chicoms etc during the cold war. But we don’t talk to these guys? Really really stupid.
-Iraq was a failed nation as it was originally set up. If it is broken up along faction lines, so much the better it gets worked out now with what ever blood letting has to take place.
-We will pay for oil from who ever has it to sell, same as before. Based on the bomb-them-to-solve-all-problems-idiots, a real 911 solution means, we should be bombing Saudi Arabia back into the stone age and not Iraq. Being super keen on doing something dumb there like using mass second generation warfare to fight a fourth generation warfare enemy is stupid.
-We had excellent diplomatic relations with a lot of countries over there before 911. And that was with troops on their soil that had no business being there in the first place. We could get a lot more done over there without troops. Yeah ( duh ) we have to do something NOW in Iraq because we were the ones stupid enough to go in there in the first place.

So sorry having troops in Iraq or Afghanistan does not make us safer. It makes a nice bedtime story for the kids but all it is, is a fairy tale. We are not serious about security here post 911, if we were all arabs of terrorist age would be profiled and run through El Al like security for every flight on a U.S. airliner. Mean to profile? Yup. Good safety procedure? Yup. Anyone not liking it, is free to leave the country. Anyone thinking that airport security with the lowest common denominator process and having an old grandma being run through a scanner is stupid. Which means our security process is stupid. Which means the leadership paid to keep us secure is stupid and needs to be fired.

Having troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan makes us safer. Yeah right.

Well that is where we are different I have a concience and believe in helping those less fortunate than myself, you on the other hand could not care less what happens to other human beings and yet have the nerve to describe those of us inflicted with human emotions ‘clueless’. So people made a profit out of the war, thats the way the world works but it does not make the war wrong.

If you had bothered to read my previous posts you would realise that I to believe that the WMD and terrorist link excuses given for the war were flawed, I did at the time and I still do, but now the Iraqi people have the ability to decide their own destiny and that can only be a good thing in the long term, although as you obviously do not care about other human beings it probably means nothing to you. 😮 😡

Sorry Team America: World Police fan club member, we can’t save the whole turd world.

No you can not say it was JUST about oil becouse it wasnt.

Loose the victim complex about colonialism its over so get over it.

Americans are living under Bush through democratic choice- something the Iraqis did not have in any form before the war.

Would you rather the Iraqis still lived under Saddam, that they were still tortured murdered and buried in mass graves? It is true that catastrophic mistakes were made in the post war planning but these do not detract from the noble of course of bringing freedom to the people of Iraq.

Yes the WMD and terrorist link reasons given for the war were sh*t but ultimately Saddam Hussein was a dictator who killed huge numbers of his own people and those of other countrys, the world and most importantly Iraq is better of without him, in exactly the same way the people of Zimbabwe would be better of without Mugabe and the people of North Korea would be better of without Kim Jong Il.

Freedom once attained has to be defended

Big deal. Sadaam………..It seems we are having our face rubbed in the dirt and paying for it, to realize Sadaam kept a better lid on that piece of dirt than we ever will.

The:

–Sadaam was connected to 911
–Bush Removed Sadaam
–Bush made America safer

Theory doesn’t work for me. Nor does the “it was for oil” BS. If it was for oil we would have just cut a deal. Money talks.

Our Team America-WORLD POLICE complex, in full force since the end of the cold war, has done nothing but burn up a huge amount of cash. No one we attacked since the cold war was going to attack us. So I don’t really give one damn what Sadaam did to his people. TS. A.Q.? Well part of the problem of that is that if we didn’t have troops in the M.E. in the first place. That all by itself would have spared a lot of grief. I don’t care what regime holds the oil, money talks. We have thousands of troops on foreign land, yet can’t even secure our own borders. Our bought and paid for by industry politicos, except for displays of smoke and mirrors, refuse to secure our southern border. We have bled our National Guard white. ( the real manpower you need for natural disasters and REAL homeland security not the ersatz kind of DHS. Add to that we have spent money like a drunk sailor on all this waste. Department of Homeland Security my ass. Just another government piece of bloat.
Iraq=Useless dirt, Afcrapistan=useless dirt. War on terrorism indeed. There can’t be a clear victory anytime soon and Osama has to be on the loose as a poster boy of why we need to waste enless amounts of cash on war profiteers of many colors. The goal of GWOT is to keep Halb./KBR, Blackwater/C3/LM/Boeing, etc fed with an endless supply of contracts. Add to all that the automatic free pass we hand out to Israel for beating down Lebonon for no mission gain using the wrong tool out of the bag and you can see that GWOT is the best thing that happened to the U.S. We will have plenty of enemies for a very long time where the solution each for one is only 2 or 3 very expensive government contracts away. A lot of the services provided by the war profiteers keep people employed, even if a contract has three levels of outsourcing to it before you finally get to someone that lifts a shovel or hands out a meal. All the cheerleaders for this mess are clueless.