Furthermore as reported by Aviation Leak, UK isn’t 100% sold that their JSF has to be a “B”, due to weight/power/carry issues that show concern with the B. Call that: Plan B and a half, so to speak.

Like I say, if this whole thing gets cancelled, it will be absolutely great.

This kind of answered my own question of how a CH-47 fits into a C-17.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transformation/images/photos/2006-03/Hi-Res/060312-F-3488S-074.jpg

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I am curious. You all buy a bunch of stuff from us. It might be me, but isn’t the amount of in country workshare you do on these deals ( fixed wing aircraft, helos, whatever ) rather low? You have multiple shops in-country that do aerospace component work. It seems like there could be more of this work done in Australia when these deals are cut. Am I wrong?

The whole Lancer thing was pretty brilliant IMHO. I mean, they had limited cash, limited options and spent it well…. All things considered. Maybe we can get Romanians to manage our military spending. :p

Funny how no-one is mentioning the nasty role chem warefare would play.

Nato repels 1st wave of Warpac attacks, Warpac hits back with chem weapons, Nato hit back with tac nukes, Warpac hits back with IRBMs. London, Paris, Rome, Amsterdam and Madrid, all glowing orange.

Nato launches a swarm of nuke cruise missiles. Warsaw, Budapest, Leningrad all hit badly.

Before long, Washington, New York, LA, San Francisco, Moscow, Vladivostok, Kiev all burning nuclear wreaks.

3 billion lives gone within the space of a mionth????? Welcome to hell. Sorry for oversimplifictions. It’s late and I’ve got a headache….:-(

Chem warfare goes to tac-nuke response almost right away. Can’t be too careful. Which blows the conventional-only fantasy right off the table. Which is exactly what this whole thread is: fantasy.

1. There wouldn’t be any Warsaw Pact suprise for very obvious reasons.

2. Any intentions getting up to the build up level means an automatic rise of the DEFCON level. ( Again, the boy scouts have it right: Be prepared ).

Hey, it not like there would ever be an actual war between the US and China. Israelites are forward looking chaps. Hell, even the Taiwanese know this and are supplying China with American aviation product whenever possible.

Yup and we have examples of Chicoms that become U.S. naturalized citizens. Then we are dumb enough to put them into a sensitive defense job. They in turn get picked up for espionage for selling tech to the PLA. That of course is only one type of example and not trying to pick on anyone.

As for the JSF code / self-support thing. As dumb as the JSF project is, that at least is a contractual thing that is an issue to be worked out between customer and vendor. The bleeding of tech to China by Israel is a catagory of industrial criminal behavior all it’s own.

Also another contributor is high-end machine tool tech that was bled to the PRC over many years —

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/china/Manufacturing/pg1.html
( 2 pages )

Not to mention all of the PLA front companies around the world and industrial espionage.