We need C/Ds Block 52/60, PAF is no longer interested in A/B Block 15s, how on earth we gonna send young pilots up against SU-30s in A/B’s!!!!!!!!!?????

An F-16C/D Block 50/52 or F-16E/F Block 60 wouldn’t be much of a match for an Su-30MKI either I’m afraid.- hideously overweight “light” tactical fighters laden with ever-increasing weight and consequuent with wing-loading up the wazoo in comparison to their predecessor models aren’t exactly hot performers in comparison to a Super Flanker. Not to mention that it’s so far out of the price range for Pakistan it’s ridiculous.

And it’s *Su*-30. Not SU.

The proposed aircraft would be based Russian Air Force’s Yak-130 AJT, which is 75 per cent identical to the Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jets, he said. The new AJT would have certain distinct features, he added.

Say what now?

Good leftist thinking on your part and incredible history revisionism. SS20s were going to be deployed in East Europe. GLCM and Pershing were the correct response.

Sorry, when were we talking about SS-20s and Pershings and who did what? When did that became the issue? And where’s the “revisionism”? Would you like to demonstrate what I revised? If there’s one thing I can’t stand, its when people attack some ethereal phantom rather than the person they actually address the post to.

Inspite of all of the communist lovers in Europe. Gorby didn’t come along till later.

So what? Who caused the fall of the USSR? Reagan? Why? Demonstrate your reasoning.

A few USSR leaders died off before him Remember? Afghanistan, and little tricks as mentioned above, building long airflieds in Nicaraqua etc etc. Playtime was over. Dentant was status quo. Nothing would have changed. USSR communism had to be confronted directly at any cost and it was. Or were you there? I was. I know thats a hard pill for some of the commie lovers, but thats the way it was.

Nothing would have changed? Sorry, but Reagan didn’t make anything change with his massive spending, and unless you can show that he did, you don’t have an argument. Gorbachev was the one who reformed the Soviet Union. Gorbachev was the one who decided the Cold War was unaffordable. *Throughout* the 1980s, that includes the leaders before Gorby, spending remained basically constant.

For the most part, you didn’t even bother to even see what the argument (and the article) was, which was: did reagan win the cold war. He did not. Period. The USSR did not respond to Reagan’s massive increase in military spending in any way, shape or form, – except for making it harder for Gorby to fight the hardliners.

Leftist thinking my ass- if you want to engage in a debate, by all means, but you barging in here throwing labels like “commie lover” and “leftists” around while ranting irrelevantly about airfields in nicarauga and SS-20s vs Pershings as if it has anything to do with the topic (the topic is *not* “the soviets were bad people. discuss”) ain’t hleping.

The laser that triggers the warhead? Why don’t you just say fuze? 🙂

We don’t know (btw, Phoenix isn’t that good against maneuvering targets)

R-37 (AA-X-13)

Type

Long-range, radar-guided, air-to-air missile.

Development

First seen in 1992, the R-37 was being developed by Vympel NPO as a replacement for the AA-9 `Amos’ (R-33) semi-active radar-guided missile. It is believed that this missile has been given the NATO designator AA-X-13. The R-37 is similar in size to the AA-9 `Amos’, but has an active radar terminal seeker and a longer range. Designed in the early 1980s, the missile was first flown in 1989. Flight trials continued until around 1998, and it was presumed that the missile would be carried by the MiG-31M `Foxhound B’ aircraft, which has carriage points under the fuselage for six missiles, and later by the Su-35. Unconfirmed reports suggest that a further version was proposed, with the designator R-37M, with a jettisonable booster assembly, increasing the range to between 300 and 400 km. This longer range version is expected to be fitted to modified MiG-29SMT `Fulcrum’ or MiG-31BM `Foxhound’ aircraft.

[This MiG-29SMT thing is almost certainly incorrect]

Description

R-37 has four long-chord clipped-tip delta-wings at mid-body, and four rectangular moving control fins at the rear. The missile is around 4.2 m long, has a body diameter of about 380 mm, and a wing span of about 0.7 m. The rear control fins are hinged to facilitate clearance when the missiles are loaded on the aircraft. R-37 appears to use the same semi-recessed carriage with trapeze launch rails below the fuselage as AA-9 `Amos’ on the MiG-31 `Foxhound A’ aircraft. It is believed that the missile launch weight is 600 kg, and that a 60 kg HE fragmentation warhead is fitted. However, the design bureau suggested in 1995 that a redesign was being investigated to reduce the launch weight to 450 kg. Guidance is inertial in mid-course with command updates from the aircraft, with small link antenna located at the rear of the missile just below the motor nozzle. A dual-mode active/semi-active radar seeker, 9B-1388, is fitted to the missile for both mid-course and terminal guidance. Lock on range for the semi-active radar is probably 75 km and, for the active radar seeker, is probably 25 km. The weight of the seeker assembly is 45 kg, excluding the radome. The command datalink has a range of 100 km. A solid propellant motor is expected to give the R-37 a range of about 150 km, although reports in 1995 indicated that following careful trajectory shaping a range in excess of 250 km had been achieved.

Operational status

The R-37 programme is a further development of the AA-9 `Amos’ (R-33) missile. R-37 design was started in the early 1980s, and the missile first flew in 1989. In 1994 a series of trials was made with launches from a MiG-31M aircraft, with one intercept at 250 km range. By 1995 it was reported that delays to the MiG-31M `Foxhound B’ aircraft’s Zaslon-M radar could delay entry of R-37 into service. It is believed that the original R-37 programme was terminated in 1998, but it is possible that the dual-mode seekers could be retrofitted into upgraded AA-9 `Amos’ missiles. R-37M missiles might be fitted to upgraded MiG-31M `Foxhound B’ aircraft at some time in the future.

[I think they mean MiG-31BM]

Specifications

Length: 4.2 m
Body diameter: 380 mm
Wing span: 0.7 m
Launch weight: 600 kg
Warhead: 60 kg HE fragmentation
Fuze: n/k
Guidance: Inertial with command updates, semi-active radar and active radar
Propulsion: Solid propellant
Range: 150 km

Contractors

Vympel NPO
Moscow (prime contractor).

MRI Agat
Moscow (radar seeker).

An article google posted indicated that K-37M/R-37M had beat out the KS-172 for the VVS.

Does France and Russia produced a cluster bomb like ours?

I don’t know about France, but Russia produces a cluster bomb deployed SFW, it’s called SPBE-D. A version is also used by the Smerch MLRS- the MOTIV-3M.

Dual-band infrared seeker, each bomblet measures 284x255x186mm and weighs 15 kg. It is ejected and descends by parachute. The seeker detects a target, specifically armor, guides the submunitions to its vulnerable upper surfaces, and activates the warhead. The seeker’s field of view is 30 degrees. The sensor triggers the warhead about 150 meters above its target. The 173mm copper plate forms a 1kg penetrator with a velocity of 2,000 m/s, able to penetrate 70mm of armor at an angle of 30 degrees.

The SPBE-D can be carried via RBK-500U cluster bombs.

(I’m waiting for the RBK-500U to be made compatible with the Tu-160 …) 🙂

IIRC, it has a booster section. It’s seeker is probably improved as well.

I don’t know if the R-37 can be seen as an improved R-33. They really look nothing alike, nor do they seem to work alike.