Is TB382 dead?
If so, pity as she had wartime service with 602 Squadron, and was flown I beleive by Raymond Baxter.
And surely even the mortal remains would have had some provenance for a ‘lift dataplate insert new aeroplane’ re-build?
Unfortunately, in the past I have had correspondence with people that thought TF956 was just abandoned straight away.
Take off, oh dear the wheel doesn’t work.
What should I do?
Hmm, I can’t possibly land it so I’ll just dump it in the sea…They obviously didn’t know about the two hours spent trying to get the Fury down safely 😡
Or stood on a cold Prestwick watching with trepidation as they tried to ‘bounce’ it, knowing that the clearance between the prop and runway wouldn’t be that great at full oleo compression……………..
You can see the mortal remnants of TF956 in the video and DVD “Hawker Sea Fury – the Ultimate Piston-Engined Fighter”, available through the RNHF website (see link below). It also shows Lt Cdr John Beattie “po-going” down the runway – quite a feat of airmanship –
Having witnessed it in person, I can only agree, Somewhere I have some pictures taken that day, before she flew and taxi-ing out.
Any Mann-Egerton build Spad VIIs remaining???
Yes, there is one in Canada at the National Aviation Museum, s/n B9913,
Useful link for photos of survivors (& some replicas!)
Another factor that would mitigate against the use of Belgrano in and around the harbour is the same one that the Royal Navy were wary of – Exocet.
There were a lot of ships in the Task Force equipped with it, and a relatively static target could expect quite a bombardment.
And the attempts to put Martel on a Vulcan may have been rather more serious as well
Without getting too involved in the COsford debacle, I think the blame can be equally shared there. BA have never had their say on the subject; we have only the Cosford side of the coin.
BA had their press release and media statements at the time, and had plenty of chance to refute what RAFM said if it wasn’t true.
The crofters who have the Beau engine know where the Hurricane engine is and who recovered it. Its another example of a recovery done on the quiet where the persons involved are not interested in bothering with permissions and afterwards take the view that its finders keepers.
And hope the MOD PLod don’t turn up on their doorstep!
What was the reasoning behind withdrawing these from RAF service?
Would the RAF have been better off keeping them and reducing the Hercules buy by 10 or even buying all 30? and reducing the Hercules buy even further?
The two are not directly comparable, and weren’t in competition. The 10 Belfasts were ordered and in service long before the Hercules, and the hercs were delivered before the Belfasts were withdrawn.
They were withdrawn, along with much of the RAF’s long range transport force (Britannias, Comets) as the UK was withdrawing it’s Forces from permanent bases east of Suez, and therefore (the logic went) didn’t need a strategic transport force (The Hercs, being new & primarily tactical, escaped). The Andover force was also withdrawn, so the Hercs were needed to shoulder that burden as well.
The withdrawl of the Belfasts of course also withdrew a unique capability. So the MOD had to hire Belfasts back when needed, or use C-5s/An-124s until the C-17s arrived.
Not as simple as that, I’m afraid. Early PR variants of the Spitfire were designated with letters that had nothing to do with the letter designators for wings in fighter variants. So, it wasn’t really the ‘D wing’, it was the ‘PR type D’ Spitfire wing. This was preceded (among others) by ‘PR type B’ and ‘PR type C’ Spitfires, and these were not fitted with the ‘B’ or ‘C’ fighter-type wings.
Yes, and as ‘c’ and ‘e’ were more properly the armament designators than wing structure ones anyway.
‘d’ was the unarmed wing
Hi
just curiosity, and slightly O/T
but if an a, b & c wing did exist,
what would the ‘d’ wing have been …
a 2 x 40mm ? as per the hurricane ?or is my mind straying
cheers
jerry
The ‘D’ wing was the unarmed PR aircraft wing. Again, as no other wing was carried by the types that used it, a designator wasn’t used
Aaaargh – computer just ate a long reply I made!
Basically, I agree with you to a certain extent Mark – the original IX did not have a wing designator suffix. Spitfire the History quotes the mk IX Type Certificate as referring to the F.IX, with later amendments to include the F.IXE.
As all built mk IXs would have the same wing, then there would be no need for any designator.
Looking at all the evidence, the mk IX used what was structurally a ‘C’ wing – it had the bays for the extra cannon even if they were never intended to be fitted.
The l/e casing is one of those interesting little sidelines, but I wouldn’t imagine it being sufficiently different to require a sub-mark difference (Any more than standard or clipped wing tips, early or late rudder, or original or all round vision canopies).
There seems to have been so few of the single port casing aircraft anyway, especially compared to the other ‘C’ wing aircraft which carried the twin version – I wonder if it was an original plan for the ‘BUILT’ mk IXs to have it, but economies made more sense of using a single casting for all aircraft
I agree, in the respect that, as there were no ‘b’ winged mk IXs, any reference to mk IX wing designator was superfluous (Even as we all know that the mk IX wing was a very specific version of the ‘C’ wing.)
ALL IXs originally had the same wing, so you didn’t need any suffix. When the ‘e’ wing came along, you obviously needed something to distinguish them.
I’d be interested if the mk XIV had a similar ‘non’ designation
Group Captain Brian Eaton flew a MkIVA with personalised ‘BAE’ codes and a Desert Airforce sheild in Italy when he commanded 239 Wing:does anyone know the serial?
TIA
David M
KH745
Source: Combat Codes by Flintham/Thomas
He also used a mk III (FB260) and a Kittyhawk (Mk unknown) with the BAE codes
I recently found out that a majority of the RAF Phantom fleet had their wing spars replaced between 1989 and 1990.
Considering the fleet were retired early two years later how many years life did they have left?
At the time, the estimated life span for 56/74/19/92 was until the Typhoon came onboard. Assuming the Typhoon would have been a little earlier had the Cold War continued, this would have been around 2002/3 ish
You do know that actually existed, but is still ‘black’……….
:diablo: