Interestingly the 262 wing was not originally designed as a swept wing, it was straight. But the designers got the CofG wrong and found a simple solution, sweep the wings back and thereby shift the CofG back. Subsequently the 262 was seen as a breakthrough design!
In a fatal dive that is … I’d imagine Whiskey Delta had in mind a relatively gentle landing 😉
Thank you JDK – and yes John, I do remember that. At Auckland UNI the dunnies used to be underneath the student cafeteria. Some wit had scrawled on the inside of a cubicle “If you think the bottom’s dropping out of your world, dine at the cafe and let the world drop out of your bottom”
Jargon question
What is washout and how does it work?
It’s quite the ironic commentary isn’t it?
It’s quite the ironic commentary isn’t it?
Is there any book available that tells the story of how the Mosquito was built?
Nothing too tecnical though !
Cheers, Alan.
I was thinking something like this when I briefly browsed last night and was mightily surprised by the quality of feedback to my question. Many thanks everyone. Lots of stuff I hadn’t appreciated.
So it seems …
1. Yes you have to be mad, but that might be a condition precedent for any warbird restoration :rolleyes:
2. No, a Mossie isn’t necessarily going to fall apart – but it’s a seriously complex thing to (re)build
That second point brings me back to what I presume Alan was also thinking. If the Mosquito was this complex and exacting to build, how on earth were a whole lot of them built at speed in wartime? Was there a lot more coachbuilding or similar capability available? Or were they simply built to less exacting standards – as was the case with any number of aircraft and other weapons where longevity frankly was not an issue?
Is that in fact a photo of a number of Battles in a field? ie. it’s not a photo of a crash site, rather some sort of Battle graveyard? But what’s happened to all the “glasshouses”, none visible on any aircraft and indeed the one in the foreground appears to have faired over patch more-or-less where I would have thought the rear of the canopy would be. Interesting photo.
What’s happening here is that people are reacting to the content of the cartoons. Obvious I know, but bear with me for a moment. The whole purpose of a cartoon (reflect here on any political cartoon character or strip you think of) is to caricature current social or political events and by that means encourage the reader/viewer to stop and think. The message/observation in these cartoons is in most cases (for example the bomb turban image, and the [lack of] virgins) to ask the viewer to question the state of the world in which such an image could even occur. That is, to recognise and consider what to about a world in which, through a terrible series of events/causes, we have fundamental Muslims in such desperate circumstances that they resort to extreme measures. This is not a comment on the Muslim religion (or any other, reflect also on the line-up cartoon) but on today’s social and political environment.
As to the freedom of speech vs. blasphemy debate. A religion has believers. Believers believe in their religion and its unique take on God. That belief is no more than that – it is a belief. I am not obligated to believe in it. I am not obligated to do any more than respect your right to believe. And I am not obligated to adhere to the
“requirements” of that religion.
I’ll tell you what I do believe – the day we eliminate satire and criticism from our dialogue is the day we bow to tyranny.
And for the record, I am 100% pro-Palistine (and for that matter Hamas’ right to bear arms), 100% pro freedom to install one’s political and religious leaders, and 100% pro anyone’s right to freedom of belief and association. But do not oblige or demand that I bow to anyone’s opinions – laws yes, but that’s a whole other matter.
What’s happening here is that people are reacting to the content of the cartoons. Obvious I know, but bear with me for a moment. The whole purpose of a cartoon (reflect here on any political cartoon character or strip you think of) is to caricature current social or political events and by that means encourage the reader/viewer to stop and think. The message/observation in these cartoons is in most cases (for example the bomb turban image, and the [lack of] virgins) to ask the viewer to question the state of the world in which such an image could even occur. That is, to recognise and consider what to about a world in which, through a terrible series of events/causes, we have fundamental Muslims in such desperate circumstances that they resort to extreme measures. This is not a comment on the Muslim religion (or any other, reflect also on the line-up cartoon) but on today’s social and political environment.
As to the freedom of speech vs. blasphemy debate. A religion has believers. Believers believe in their religion and its unique take on God. That belief is no more than that – it is a belief. I am not obligated to believe in it. I am not obligated to do any more than respect your right to believe. And I am not obligated to adhere to the
“requirements” of that religion.
I’ll tell you what I do believe – the day we eliminate satire and criticism from our dialogue is the day we bow to tyranny.
And for the record, I am 100% pro-Palistine (and for that matter Hamas’ right to bear arms), 100% pro freedom to install one’s political and religious leaders, and 100% pro anyone’s right to freedom of belief and association. But do not oblige or demand that I bow to anyone’s opinions – laws yes, but that’s a whole other matter.
I would add Jerry Yagen’s Mossie project in NZ.
Dennis
Good man Dennis … I was flicking through this thinking exactly the same thing – what about that Kiwi Mossie?
And as for this being an old thread – so what? The question is perennially valid. And leaving Steve metaphorically buried is the last thing he would want.
Thank you XN923 – the intent of this thread is to discuss the intent of the campaign (which I note was then called the Combined Bomber Offensive – three words each with meaning you’ll note). An effect of this thread has been, as is too often the case, to stray towards the moral issues at hand.
I repeat my exhortation to all contributors to read Ashe’s analysis (Alertken’s recent post above). There is much more to it than the paragraph I excerpted. Explicitly he discusses the issues, of war at large and of the CBO in particular, arising in the targeting of morale, aiming for negative morale in the target and positive in those effecting the attack. He thoroughly discusses the vagaries of +ve/-ve morale in both parties and argues (to my mind conclusively) that the primary intent of the CBO was to influence morale. Other aspects were useful additional benefits. It is in my opinion the most thoughtful and incisive analysis I’ve read on this topic.
If we go right back to the Dambusters raid that kicked off this thread – we see the positive morale benefits of a daring, precision raid, and the intention that the damage to industrial capacity, to workers and their families, to the German population witnessing such daring competence, should have negative morale consequences to the defenders. That this didn’t occur is understandable – the attack was far from severe enough.
This last point is Ashe’s observation in the excerpt above – unless one strays perilously close to the point of overkill, it’s hard to significantly dent the defender’s morale. And as James noted above, this was both the intent and the effect of the atom bomb raids.
Good to hear no one hurt Dave – but of course the big question is: “how’re they going to get to the Sevens?”
oooh missed it – happy belated b’day Anna, Don
oooh missed it – happy belated b’day Anna, Don