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  • in reply to: Vulcan plans fall apart #1413967
    Smith
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    Precisely Mark 12 – it would be much sadder than this silly SNAFU if in a few years time this forum moans on about how moribund its predecessors were.

    The thing that strikes me is that this forum is sitting back gas-bagging about how wise it is when there’s someone out there, proven to be not especially knowledgeable on these matters, who could seriously do with a bit of help (at least a quick phone call). If the UK residents of this forum are reticent to contact him direct (I can’t think why) then perhaps some behind the scenes manouvering – finding out/encouraging Vulcan preservation bods, museums and the like to express an interest and support (self-interest I mean, there has to be value all round). And Dave’s RAF/Army suggestion is a good one.

    in reply to: Breighton News #1415585
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    Yes Don, I was thinking the same thing. Is this the famous ‘Kiwi’ Spitfire? Chances are it isn’t. I think he lost four Spitfires during the BofB alone off the top of my head.

    I recall reading his book years ago, a brilliant book. He was bombed on take-off and was buried in his Spitfire upside down on one occasion. Just like in the BofB film!

    That one was well written off apparently – also had a head-on collision with a 109 in another!

    in reply to: General Discussion #382915
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    Fantastic – this guy’s a genius – now I know why that publican bought himself a Vulcan!
    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=37365

    in reply to: Breighton News #1415817
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    re. the Spit. Al Deere flew (and crashed/lost) any number of Spits – see Len Deighton’s “Fighter” for instance :rolleyes: Anyone got the history of this particular one?

    in reply to: Breighton News #1416014
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    Hey, that’s a real special for us Kiwis too! Al Deere’s plane! I shall have to make a pilgrimage at the right time.

    in reply to: Airworthy Vampire single seaters #1416016
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    John – I saw a Vampire at Point Cook airshow in early 2004 – any idea what that might have been?
    cheers Don

    in reply to: Vulcan plans fall apart #1416020
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    I think it’s a real bugger – but hey, I’m miles away. Anyone here thought of ringing the chap up, or dropping into his pub, and giving him a few clues as to things like …
    – how best to dismantle (ie. without wrecking future possibilities)
    – some storage/display do’s and don’ts
    – what are the useful bits and who might value them
    – how to obtain best value for the balance/scrap?

    in reply to: General Discussion #382980
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    Me too Crazymainer. There are two issues here, one is the positioning of US foreign policy that believes it is acceptable to meddle in others affairs (I disagree) and the second where we agree – you are 100% right that military and espionage activities are highly sensitive and it is deeply inappropriate for those in the know to divulge information.

    That said, reading the article again I’m not so sure it isn’t drawing fairly long conclusions rather than presenting hard eveidence.

    in reply to: an invitation to bomb London #1416583
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    Andy – yes he does quote sources – and there is an extensive bibliography. What I don’t know of course, without reading the exact passages in those texts, is whether he has read them as background references, or is directly quoting them, to create his arguments. The difficulty here is that he has written a book, rather in the style of a documentary. Think of Mike Moore and how one side of the truth can be placed on a pedestal as the whole truth.

    So I honestly don’t know on this point, and many others in the book. Hence the value of a critique.

    He refers often (and in particular re. my orginal question) to the RAF Official History. Is that some sort of accessible historical document?

    in reply to: an invitation to bomb London #1416613
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    This thread has drifted off my question … into an alternative and very interesting discussion – namely the veracity of Deighton’s “history” of the BoB. I’m looking forward to Andy’s critique as much as anyone, thank you Damien for the book!

    But reverting to the original question if I may. In the final chapter entitled ‘The Results’ Deighton says that Britain’s commanders breathed a sigh of relief when the Luftwaffe began to bomb London. This was from 7 September 1940. He then goes on to say that …

    [quote] Some said that the bombing of London was the very reaction that Churchill had hoped to provoke when he sent the RAF to Berlin on Sunday 25 August. If that was his intention – and Churchill was a master of strategy – he never admitted it was so. To have contrived that London was bombed, even as a war-winning master-stroke, would still have damaged his reputation. [unquote]

    Indeed, but my original post (#1 above) also quotes Deighton, himself quoting the RAF Official History, noting that (the War Cabinet or the RAF?) extended a similar unofficial invitation a few months earlier (during the Battle of France). Note that Churchill certainly chaired the War Cabinet and it has been argued often enough (eg: re Dresden) he effectively directed the RAF.

    I’m disappointed Deighton didn’t see fit to compare the two issues and raise the obvious (and to Dave’s point, unwanted) question “what sort of responsible person would ‘invite’ the bombing of his/her own people?” The answer is of course – a thick skinned pragmatist. Sound like anyone?

    edits = grammar not content

    in reply to: General Discussion #383141
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    Yeah I think it’s wrong (to ban). These sorts of things should be visible to people to remind them of how evil can manifest itself. A history lesson if you like. We should be able to view statues of Stalin, giant eagle mounted swastikas and so on. Hell, that big statue of Saddam Hussein should have been retained as a place to visit and reflect, or spit if the urge takes you.

    And I’m not so blind I can’t see the counter argument, that these places/symbols could then be used as rallying points – but I believe in the power of a history, we must remember if we are to learn.

    in reply to: General Discussion #383144
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    Happy Birthday Snaps … but how things change, soft drinks were never on the menu in my college daze :rolleyes:

    in reply to: General Discussion #383158
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    Subaru Legacy GT (the twin turbo gas guzzler). It’s a car – no big deal
    plus a Ducati 748sps with all the go fast bits – it’s a love/hate relationship – typical Italian manchinery, crap till you thrash it then it speaks to you “ooh, do it again”
    Edited to attach generic photo of a 748sps – mine looks like this, only less clean 😉

    in reply to: an invitation to bomb London #1417943
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    You’re absolutely right Dave, and much of our WWII history is written from the point of view of the Allies as victors. On another note, Flour bombing was also popular in New Zealand during the 1981 Springbok Tour …. not a great photo, but here you go … 😉

    in reply to: an invitation to bomb London #1418370
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    Are you up for it Andy? It would be a very interesting critique.
    The book is a good read, “fact” filled in the style of a written documentary. There’d be a lot of cross-referencing and researching required to test it on a number of fronts …
    – biographies of the major players
    – correlation with the official history
    – lots of technical pros/cons/features of the various aircraft and weaponry
    I can’t send you my copy, borrowed it is, someone local (UK) step in here?
    cheers, Don

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