O.P.Hi ZRX61 !
I asked a friend to take a look at your engines and this is what he had to say about the oppossed four.
“I guess that I must have told you that one of my duties long ago as a
First Lieutenant at Ft. Hood, TX was running one of the first four
Surveillance Drone Platoons in the Army. One of the engines shown is
from an SD-1 Northrop drone – formerly an R-Cat target drone, it was
stretched and and had an aerial camera installed along with a
transponder for radar tracking. It also was launched by two JATO
bottles, whereas the old target drones were run around a circular
track for launching. We used a modified 75mm AA gun radar for
tracking.
Dan”
Hope this helps some.
O.P.Hi ZRX61 !
I think I’ve found one of your engines here,
http://www.replicaengines.com/products/curtis.htm
Very nice!
I’m at work right now, but I have more scale and antique engine sources at home. I’ll get a couple more links for you in a few hours.
It’s probably out of my league, but I’m interested in the 5 cylinder radial. When they go up for sale, and info or link would be apprieciated.
O.P.That’s cool. It pretty interesting that the folks being “non-clique”, or theres not any clique here are part of ………ahhhh well screw it.
How bout this….
Manners by O.P.
1. If they were standing in front of you, would you say that? Honestly, would you?
I’m just saying…..nahhh screw that too, I guess I’m just trolling the Clique…I’ll stop now, doesn’t matter what I’m saying.
I still like Spitfires, so I guess I’ll still lurk around these parts.
O.P.Sorry to disagree OP but that’s largely a crock.
Yes this board has a British orientation but no one to my knowledge is anti American.
I often post things that don’t have much to do with Duxford, Ray Hanna or Spitfires. Non of those really interest me that much and I know two Spitfire serial numbers–the rest I couldn’t care less about. Last night I was posting stuff about a little known Bedfordshire aviator who was flying before The Great War.
There are a number of regular American posters here too (and John is from Aus and there are few Kiwi’s too), several of whom I talk to regularly by telephone.So exactly when have you been called goofy, stupid, a baby kiler, a Nazi etc etc??? I’d be interested to know.
Cheers
Andy
Hi Andy!
I don’t think that the board is necessarily anti american, I think it is definatley anti disagreement, at least with the “Clique”. I don’t think I’ve seen any Stupid “insert non-american nationality here” slurs though. Maybe its just that non-americans are more willing to go a whole lot farther to avoid a good “slagging”. Recently I was asked off board to post in a thread about a topic I have much love for, to post a kind of RA RA you can do it guys kind of thing. Against my better judgement, due to previous experiences here, I did it. El mistakeo gigante! It seems that the “group” had already made their final decision on the subject and it was immutable, at which point I got my expected slagging……oh well, won’t do that again….as for the nazi stuff, I’ll leave it alone, people were crying in their tea for a month after that.
The British orientation is good. Thats why I come here, to read about spitfires and look at the pictures. I like your non-spitfire posts also.
Hi MoF!
It might be that the reason there isn’t more posters is because some of the reasons I’ve outlined previously. I know everytime I even contemplate posting here, I recontemplate it a few dozen times. If you’re going to post in a clique dominated thread, you better be in complete agreement.
Thanks for the offer! Same here, if you’re ever in the bay area, let me know, we’ll do some flying and have a couple ten beers.
O.P.Hi John!
I know this is pretty much closed but, for GP, I though I’d throw in a 2cent hand grenade too.
This is a “Free Speech” board….hmmmm…kinda, thats pretty much a euphemism around here. There are about ten prolific posters here, and if you don’t agree with them pretty much 100 percent, you are a “Goofy”, “Stupid”, “Arrogant”, American, at the very least, sometimes a lot worse. It’s been said, here, that this is a board with “Worldwide” appeal/interests. It’s not. It’s a UK board for those ten posters and those who choose never to disagree with them.
I don’t post here alot, because everything I ever wanted to know about Spitfires, The BoB, The BoB movie, BoB books, Duxford, Hanna, Spitfires, and Spitfires, is already posted on the front page at any given time. Thats, of course, after I wade through the half a zillion posts of personal banter by those ten posters, to find one beautiful grain of information. Thats cool, Thats the only purpose left for me to come and look around here anyway.
I know who you guys are talking about and why. I just wanted to point out, before you all go patting each other on the back congratulating one another on your openmindedness and good manners, you don’t have much of either. It’s you guy’s board, and you aint afraid of letting anyone know that.
I have learned alot here, and I have met some very cool people here. One of them gave me some information that backs up one of my most cherished beliefs, probably a wrong belief, but I like it. I owe him for that.
Welllll….gotta run, someone started a new Spitfire thread, I wanna get reading. 🙂
O.P.
The Goofy, Stupid, Nazi, Baby Killer, Arrogant, American.
O.P.Perhaps you’d care to have a look at a list of surviving Lightnings that I have compiled:
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/survivors.html
There are around 70 complete Lightnings in preservation including four F.2As. It is not rare, it is certainly not under-represented and many museums in the UK already have one. Or two.
The cockpit is 100% gutted. The canopy glazing is gone. The wings, tail and belly are all massively damaged. The undercarriage is practically destroyed. The fuselage has numerous holes smashed in the side. It is a mass of corrosion and the owner delights in telling people to f*** off when they ask about ‘saving’ it.
So hey, fill your boots, see how far you get.
So,you’re saying that it’s cool to let this bird go to the scrapper, or to nothing, without saying or doing anything. It’s kinda what I was saying,
“The cockpit is 100% gutted. The canopy glazing is gone. The wings, tail and belly are all massively damaged. The undercarriage is practically destroyed. The fuselage has numerous holes smashed in the side. It is a mass of corrosion and the owner delights in telling people to f*** off when they ask about ‘saving’ it.”.
Who cares? Its an intact aircraft. Do something. 70 shmeventy. Say something, do something. You wouldn’t being having the same attitude if it was a “spitfire”. There is maybe 70 of them, so screw it, scrap it, scrap all of them.
As far as ” filling my boots, and seeing how far I get”…..I don’t live in England. So theres not gonna be any “boot filling” in regards to me.
I just think it’s goofy, to say the least, for anyone to flip sh1t to anyone wanting to save a lightning , or a vulcan. All I’ve seen around these parts is the ole glass half empty stuff.
O.P.Yes it can be saved. I can’t believe what I’m reading here. “Its for the torch.”.Jeeezz louise, that plane deserves preservation as much as any plane. Letting it go away, for not “Spending money on a pile of scrap”, is wrong. The people normaly saying that, don’t spend their dough on a pile of exploded Spitfire either. Whats the difference? You’re not spending money or time on anything. People are going to be saying about you guys, the kinda stuff they say about the 1940-50’s dudes, that is “What were they thinking? Scrapping all of those planes?.” A perfect opportunity presents itself to save an important aircraft, of an important era, and the prevalent opinion is “It’s for the scrappers torch.”
I hear the same kinda stuff here in the U.S.. People who would be willing move heaven and moon to salvage and return to flight status little bitty tiny chunks of crashed and exploded P-38, P-51, Spitfire, ect, and when it comes to a tired Dart, P-80, T-33, F-86, F-84, Candair sabres, Lightning,”Vulcan”, they say why bother.
That airplane is important. The cold war and the first supersonic birds, are very sadly underepresented. There are a lot of museums that can’t afford the ole WW2 masterpiece. They would probably like to have a bird like that Lightning. Seeing as how WW2 and the cold war are going by the wayside in both memory, and education, why would anyone let a physical part of either them get away, get scrapped, knowingly?
If I remember right, England is not as big as Texas, and not as small as Rhode island. That means all you English cats probably live within 200 miles of each other. Get permission to retrive the plane. Do a workday where everyone brings themselves, and tools if they got em. If you couldn’t find a museum around to take it (even outside), then ya’ll should get the plane anyway. Nigel could store a chunk in his carport, Jeremy could store a chunk in his gardening shed, Sinjen-Smythe could store a chunk in his atrium. Then all of you cats can sit around and comment on the good deed you did over tea (rightly so!).
I know I talked a lot here, but I walk the walk too. If you dudes can put together the ” I’m tired of doushebag punks spraypainting and vandalizing my beautiful airplane fund”, I’m in for some dough. If you guys can just get it out of there, and keep it from being scrapped, I’m in for some dough.
O.P.I think I get what you’re saying, and I think we agree. All the bad blood seeming to be starting around here is the result of these contentious, Non-Aviation threads. When a valid complaint is made about a moderator, fueling this, in the Crazymainer thread for example, the thread is threatened to be pulled, and then, evidently pulled.
It interesting to see, after such “controversy” in the Crazymainer thread, to see the same person, stoking the fires in the ole Iraq thread.
Just Checking, thats all…………………….
O.P.You’re right Hand87_5. I was being facetious. I know there is a lot more going on there, and I don’t think they are a colonial power/pawn. What is lacking here is the treatment recieved by anyone disagreeing with the more fashionable opinions expressed here over the use of force elsewhere in the world.
I want to be fashionable too. So here goes…
If you voted for Jaques Chirac, or if you support his policies, you endorse murder, starvation, torture, and the general human suffering of people in Iraq over the last ten years. Thats cool, Jaques, Kofi, and Kofi Jr, are loaded now, thanks to your “But people will suffer” attitudes. Tell that to the cats in the mass graves in Iraq.
That is what I do believe…….as for facetiousness…
All the people who think Chirac is right are of very low intelligence, at the very minimum, gullible, I don’t know what the european work for redneck is, but its breath probably smells like cheese, and they smell like goat herders. As for their troops protecting the “Colony”. They are murdering foriegn legion scum, probably ex nazi, at least trained by ex nazis….Lack of response, or damn near any dissenting response, means you endorse the murder of the innocent people of the Ivory Coast.
Sound familiar anyone?
O.P.Lack of response is clear evidence that a double standard operates on this forum but we all knew that. :rolleyes:
Sauron
You got that right! I find it kind of amusing, incredible, something, that the same people who are against any miltary anything, anywhere, can’t find it in their hearts to be outraged about a colonial power, well, doing colonial stuff…..I guess morale outrage is only reserved for The US and Allies, desposing bad guys……I guess we would be in better shape if only we were proping them up….
O.P.Well done to the pilot for a successful emergency landing. Is the CAF Dauntless still the only one flying in the world? Or have others now made it back into the air?
I’d love to see the CAF Dauntless someday. It would be great if it were returned to it’s wartime RNZAF colours and brought to NZ for a Wanaka show or something. Probably never happen though.
I think Planes of Fame has a flying Dauntless also.
O.P.I’ve just heard that a man from their unit was killed the day before, by a “possum” wearing a bomb. The marine went to help a wounded Iraqi, and was killed when the wounded man detonated a bomb. Combine that with the other things I’ve said earlier, and things begin getting a little clearer.
I agree with letting everything come out, before deciding that something went wrong and those guys are murderers.
O.P.The actual footage shown by the BBC was:
“This one’s still breathing!”
*BANG* *BANG*
Nothing about playing possum or woteva.
Well done the US Armed Forces. Really endearing themselves to a global audience.
What a bunch of idiots.
From Msnbc
“The Marine could be heard insisting: “He’s f—ing faking he’s dead — he’s faking he’s f—ing dead.”
Possum enough for me. Especially if I was walking into an unknown room.
O.P.You dozy cretins – even the marines CO (LtCol Settler?) has just been seen on UKTV and admitted that the wounded men had surrendered the previous day. I assumed that since it said on both UK channels that the men had been taken prisoner then that meant that they had been taken prisoner… It was only on ITN that there was a mention that there were five prisoners and that, in fact, there was a previous visit by another patrol to the mosque, where the men were held prisoner, and the prisoners had been shot – and some apparently killed – before the filmed visit.
O.P. the tactics Snapper described were not noticeable used: on TV last night (but blanked out this morning) were some of the marines names and the fact that the they appeared to line up so that the cameraman was the closest to the prisoner – hardly covering the prisoner, nor searching him; to me they all appeared (or the ones visible on the film, anyway) to have their weapons pointed at the subsequently deceased prisoner – any of the others ‘playing possum’ would have had a field day, had they been alive and so minded. The camera came in close then the imagery was blacked out just before a shot was heard – had the camera not been there then this guy would probably have been claimed to have been shot whilst escaping, that was how casual it appeared.
Shooting prisoners, O.P.: that is what the Nazis did – is that the kind of reference that you’d want to be made whenever the US military is involved in anything at all? Supposed to be professionals, not the sort of ragged-arsed freedom-fighters who have to share uniforms or wait for the man with the gun to die before they get their turn with it.
I read all those answers who have come out against me and think “why can’t they see this?” I don’t mean that literally – Americans don’t want to see the bad news they are making across the world, let alone hear about it – but it is the sheer incompetance of allowing men to think that actually shooting prisoners is permittable by trained soldiers.
And I resent the implication that this was not true – the film spoke for itself: it was an NBC cameraman and the imagery will do nothing to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis nor others who think the Americans are being heavy-handed. If the military want things to get better then they have to get better themselves: doing stupid things – let alone in front of a camera – will not help things get better…Flood
Those guys did not shoot a prisoner, they, by all reports, had no idea what was in that room, that was, maybe, a command failure, not theirs. If I was going to rail against someone, it would be their battalion CO. Me being enlisted and all. Even then, it’s the middle of a battle, I’d be willing to cut the guy some slack.
You’re in a place thats been “reoccupied” standing a few feet away from a body that begins moving, what do you do? Take the fire, or shoot? Take the grenade, or shoot? He’s moving, rolling, you can’t unass the room, you’re too close to him, what are you going to do? I’ll tell you what you’re probably going to do, you will **** yourself, then shoot him, If you have any training at all. Throughout the last year or so, bad guys waved white flags, and then brought fire on the soldiers accepting their capture. Fought out of uniform. Fought out of “Holy places”. Played possum. All “War Crimes”. What are you going to do, you got three seconds. Probably less.
Believe me, I think Snapper would back me up on this, If that soldier was a “War criminal”, the first guys to roll over on him, would be the guys standing next to him. These guys are “Volunteers”. Not some kind of “rag assed” conscripts. They are well trained professionals. Killing prisoners would be one of the worst things you could do.
Comparing these guys, or the US, to Nazi’s is…..well…..Bull****, I’ll say silly just so something will come through bad word detector. Read a little history, before you make such a “Fashionable” statement. If They, or, We, were Nazi’s, there would be no Fallujah.
War is “Heavy handed”, it’s war. Get used to seeing “sickening” things on TV. It seems to be the way things are going. And yea, I’ll bring it up, where is your righteous anger at people getting their heads carved off on TV? I’m sure that Japanese dude is a Nazi too .
Dozy Cretin?…must be an English thing………..
O.P.“You’ve obviously never served in an infantry unit. If you think someone is playing possum, you don’t walk up and ask them “Are you playing possum?”. You shoot them.”
I have. And in the British Army (where the Geneva Convention is still observed) you cover him with one man, while another checks him out. I don’t have a problem with the alleyway shooting (though the casualness does seem disturbing, though isn’t war?) but the murder of people who surrender is something that certainly should result in charges. Doing it in front of cameras is just unbelievably stupid.
The same rules apply for the US soldiers, the same tactics are used, the video I saw was blanked out, all I got from it was a guy yelling, a gunshot, and then a guy moving on the ground. One thing I didn’t see, in the context of anyone actually there at the time, is a surrender, or anything of the sort. It looks like those guys had no idea anyone was in there, and from another news report I’ve read, they were sent there because it had been, “reoccupied”. Taking that into account, it looks like those guys walked into an unknown hole, and acted apropriatley. You saw how close they were to them…..There’s not time to do squat, that video could just as well be the shooting of Marines because they made the mistake of getting to close to them. Doesn’t look like you could see them that well until they were completley in the room, by then, it’s to late. You’re right, doing anything if front of a camera is stupid these days.
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