Nope. I think the people who had the misfortune of having an Air Holland flight booked can wave their money goodbye… or has anything happened on that front, Tenthije?

And we are supposed to take a design like this serious? Just look at the loadout options, the maximum allowable weight on the pylons, and keep in the back of your head all of this is to be powered by one 40.000lbs (AB)/25.000lbs engine?

At least if their claims were somewhat credible, i might take them serious. But this weapons chart is just ludicrous. Even Phantom will agree 🙂

http://www.stavatti.com/f26/media/F-26S%20STALMA%20Warload.pdf

Originally posted by Billy Bishop
You obviously have an agenda against small free lance companies. Do you work for LM or NG, or do you just own a lot of their stock?

No i don’t, and i can’t say i have a lot of sympathy for the larger chunks of the aero-military-industrial-complex.

The fact is, small free-lance companies can produce just as good equipment as the big companies, if given the chance. 20 years ago everyone would’ve laughed at you if you claimed that open source projects could produce an operating system just as advanced (even more so) than OS’s produced by big companies (ie Windows), but look today we have Linux. Similarly, open source hardware is starting to catch on, I predict in 10 years there will be open source processors which will be just as good as what Intel or AMD can build. There is no reason why this can’t apply to military hardware too.

So that’s how you think Stavatti will overcome it’s non-existant trials or production facilities? Somebody dropping in “hey, i’ve got an engine for you”, someone else bringing a radar, another person having this neat design for an ejection seat, and i’m sure we can think of a nice trials- and development scheme if we just do our best and work hard.

Please.

The only free-lance designer i can think of who does projects beyond the light general aviation market is Burt Rutan, and only barely by scraping in massive sponsor contracts, doing a lot of consultancy, and by keeping every airframe he produces as simple as possible. The latter not combining particularly well with the demands customers have for their military jets. Remember those silly attempts to offer the BD-10 as a viable military trainer?

As for the price, well LM didn’t deliver the F-22 at its initial projected per plane cost ($65 mil per plane) either, did they?

So you basially agree with me that Stavatti’s claim that the “F-26” will cost as little as 35m US$ is highly suspectible?

Yep, i live in Heerlen on the Dutch side of the border.

Taking pictures at the fence is no problem, except maybe for the boredom you are likely to encounter. Best spot is the eastern (German) landing. Park your car at the football field of Teveren, and walk a few hundred metres north along the fence. The E-3s, 707s and KC-135s are low enough to make some nice photos there. The Dutch side is also pretty open, but not as nice.

Originally posted by djnik
Those AWACS wake me up every morning when they are on their way to land at Geilenkirchen!They fly low and are really loud and when it makes like 3 turns it gets on your nerves:)

Wanna go and get a beer someday?

So you just want us to bullsh!t relentlessly?

Well, if you ask me seriously… then i think we’ve got a perfectly stupid question asked :rolleyes: A cost-effective military jet should do it’s job at a better price than a less cost-effective one, but if it can’t match the performance of the more expensive jet, it’s no good anyway.

Any fighter will be more cost-effective than an F-22. But since it’s pretty likely that the F-22 will beat your cost-effective bird, the money you spent on that cost-effective fighter is absolutely wasted after that cost-effective fighter has been shot down by that ludicrously expensive F-22. Perhaps it would be possible to make some sense of it if wowcow had thought of at least some context for his question (tasks? potential threats? geography? support assets?), but since he didn’t it’s so incredibly useless i am really amazed there are some serious-ish replies to this post.

If you want cost-effective, you don’t buy fighters at all. You’re much better off buying transports (which are actually useful) and join some sort of alliance with a bunch of countries stupid enough to waste taxpayer’s money on fighters.

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