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November 25, 2010 at 8:22 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2357548

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1. Kinematic advantage allows the Raptor to launch out of Mica range.

2. Kinematic advantage allows the Raptor to choose to engage or not.

3. Kinematics allows the Raptor To recover out of turns better, and out accelerate the Rafale.

4. Kinematics will allow to Raptor to escape if the situation is unfavorable.

5. In a tail chase the Rafale would have to burn all of its fuel in reheat to catch the Raptor.

6. Kinematics Allows the raptor to be a better and more survivable A2G striker than the Rafale.

To put it nicely the raptor is superior in ever way, it’s worth 2 or 3 Rafales.
Id personally like to see the french send 24 Rafales to Red flag against 8-12 Raptors. When the red force of Rafales is virtually eliminated during a week long air exercise that maybe we can have this matter settled once and for all.

November 25, 2010 at 7:08 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2357641

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The Problem is the Raptor can equal or better the Rafale/Typhoon when it comes to passsive detection and situational awareness with a comprehensive avionics upgrade.

But neither the Rafale nor the Typhoon can get what the Raptor has in terms of Stealth.

In short the Raptors shortcomings can be negated with upgrades while that of the Eurocanards wrt to Raptor/T50 cannot be.

You are probably right about the F 35, If its stealth advantage is somehow negated the Typhoon/Rafale can possibly better it in a close engagement, it has DAS and HOBS missiles but its only a matter of time before countermeasures for even the best SRAAMS come in.

Like I mentioned before, even with with no stealth the F-22 is superior because of its energy advantage.

November 25, 2010 at 1:26 am in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358113

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So the YF-23 isnt an option?

November 25, 2010 at 1:22 am in reply to: Operation Medor: Was this a true greek french exercise? #2358120

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How is it possible that the Rafale with advanced spectra active cancellation stealth
can be defeated by a lowly last gen block 50 F-16s?

November 25, 2010 at 1:07 am in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358130

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[QUOTE=Bluewings;1667899]Jessmo, I repeat what I told you already :

I am really sorry Jess and with all your respect , I can ‘t repeat myself endlessly …

Cheers .[/QUOTE
Hows that spectra active cancellation coming along:D

November 25, 2010 at 12:14 am in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358150

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You havent rufuted 1 single point, so you resort to personal attacls?

So because you don’t believe the Americans can make a be
tter plane than you its must not be true?

I seriously hope the entire company at both Dassualt and Euro-fighter, think the same way you do. Thinking like this will basically had us 1/2 the fighter market for generations. OH wait they already did, its called the Rafale.

so to recap

1. The Rafales radar has 10% less range than a block 60 F-16 which means its inferior.

2. The Rafale lacks modes that the block 60 F-16 has.

3. The Mica has less range than the AMRAAM

4. The Rafale cannot out turn the F-22.

5. The Rafale got beat by block 50 F-16s in a Greek exercise.

6. The Rafale cannot detect the F-22 without its radar enhancer ( its lune-berg lens)

7. The Rafale just recent got the Damocles pods and before that, they had to use binoculars and have mirage laser designate over the stan.

8. The Rafale claims to be omnirole but doesn’t do 1 single mission better than any other aircraft.

9. At 80 Million USD its resembles a F-16 block 60 with a higher price and trashy radar.

And I used nothing but public information for these conclusions.
unless the united Arab emirates and the Greeks are in on the conspiracy.

November 24, 2010 at 10:48 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358199

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who said it wasn’t beatable? No one here suggested that. We aren’t saying its unbeatable we are saying its a generation ahead of your plane.
Are you telling me that with all of the wild conspiracy theories there isn’t 1 shred of anti- American sentiment? There is a difference between being a skeptic and blatantly throwing out information even from your own exercises, and accusing every one in the world including French pilots of massive conspiracy.

November 24, 2010 at 10:20 pm in reply to: F-35 News Thread III #2358222

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Could the Marines Get F-35Cs?

Given all the bad news coming out about the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter program in recent weeks, I asked Air Force chief of staff Gen. Norton Schwartz if he is concerned that any cuts to the Marines troubled F-35B program could hurt the Air Force:

“If we don’t produce the same amount of airplanes, clearly there’s cost impacts” said Schwartz. “The F-35 is important to lots of folks [three U.S. armed services and eight international partners] and my expectation is that both government and industry will get after making this right.”

In the wake of Britain’s move to swap its F-35Bs for F-35C carrier variants and the recent suggestion by the presidentially-mandated deficit reduction panel that the U.S. should cut the F-35B, one has think that the Pentagon is at least considering swapping the B-model JSF and replacing it with the C.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2010/11/24/could-the-marines-get-f-35cs/#ixzz16EzzV200
Defense.org

http://defensetech.org/2010/11/24/could-the-marines-get-f-35cs/?wh=wh

WHY not Just start the marines on the F-35c and put the F-35B IOc at 2020?
they can do 1/2 the buy F-35c and the other F-35B. this would be a nice compromise, and would give the B version time to work its bugs out.

November 24, 2010 at 10:08 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358230

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More unsubstantiated BS from you ww. Might be true might not.
Stating your beliefs over and over again does not a convincing argument make.

So because you don’t believe the Americans can make a better plane than you its must not be true?

I seriously hope the entire company at both Dassualt and Euro-fighter, think the same way you do. Thinking like this will basically had us 1/2 the fighter market for generations. OH wait they already did, its called the Rafale.

so to recap

1. The Rafales radar has 10% less range than a block 60 F-16 which means its inferior.

2. The Rafale lacks modes that the block 60 F-16 has.

3. The Mica has less range than the AMRAAM

4. The Rafale cannot out turn the F-22.

5. The Rafale got beat by block 50 F-16s in a Greek exercise.

6. The Rafale cannot detect the F-22 without its radar enhancer ( its lune-berg lens)

7. The Rafale just recent got the Damocles pods and before that, they had to use binoculars and have mirage laser designate over the stan.

8. The Rafale claims to be omnirole but doesn’t do 1 single mission better than any other aircraft.

9. At 80 Million USD its resembles a F-16 block 60 with a higher price and trashy radar.

And I used nothing but public information for these conclusions.
unless the united Arab emirates and the Greeks are in on the conspiracy.

November 24, 2010 at 9:53 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358266

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Pray tell oh oracle of all things how are you able to know with such certainty that the Froggies didn’t detect the Raptor?
The true answer is you don’t.

Alternatively how can you know that the Froggies didn’t do exactly the same to the Raptors?
Again you don’t.

Given that it was widely reported that the Rafales spent a fair amount of Red Flag sucking up all the electrons they could find why wouldn’t they be doing exactly the same in the Gulf.
Now perhaps for once they did a un-characteristic thing and didn’t bang on about that but decided to divert attention by talking about the rather meaningless wvr contest…which then had the added bonus of getting the Septics to bang on about being able to “lock up” the Rafale passively.
Oh ta says everybody else that will be something that we’ll develop tactics to counter then.
Doh!

Because the article above said it! IN FRENCH!! I don’t need to speculate I’m using public information.

November 24, 2010 at 7:47 pm in reply to: Operation Medor: Was this a true greek french exercise? #2358344

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is it true that Rafales lost to block 52 F-16s?

November 24, 2010 at 7:45 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358352

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Like we said before its massive conspiracy. The thread was about 5 generation tactics. since the F-22 is a total lie, lets discuss in the future when all of this stuff works.

November 24, 2010 at 5:34 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358475

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We have been through this before. The F-22 has multiple ways of obtaining a firing solution. No one in the exercise wants to turn on radar in full legacy mode because no one wants to be a signet intell officers reason for promotion. The thing that I just proved is that BVR would not matter because the F-22 doesn’t need legacy radar or any radar for that matter to get a firing solution. The raptor team could have been in LPI mode but well never know, and I’m sure the Americans would be happy to let the French think no radar was used.

November 24, 2010 at 5:23 pm in reply to: Iranian LR SAM S-300 Look-alike #1800321

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Okay this is only my analysis:

The problem is that if Israel launches the scale of attack required to totally neutralise Iran’s nuclear programme, Iran would have every justification to respond. We are not talking about one strike, we would be talking days of strikes, first neutralising the air defences and fighters, then destroying dedicated militarised nuclear research facilities, then the dual use facilities which house both civilian and military programmes, likely killing hundreds if not thousands of people, all right 90% will be military personnel but you can guarantee lots of civilian deaths as well.

Anything less will only result in short term impact on the programme and cement the Iranian government’s power base.

Full scale strike would result in the general population of the Gulf states baying for Israel blood, if countries like Saudia Arabia did not react in the right way there would be a real chance of their Government’s being overthrown and the Middle East become less secure due to Israel’s reaction and very certainly the US relations with the Gulf states would be very difficult.

This would only be true if Iran did not attack U.S. bases in those countries.
Further more, Iran and the rest of the gulf are two types of islam, and do not get along. In fact Iranians don’t consider them selves true ARABs

November 24, 2010 at 5:05 pm in reply to: 5th generation tactics/thinking #2358500

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What kind of nonsense are you talking about Jessmo? For this guns only exercise between Rafales and F-22s the conditions were fair and actually set up by the USAF.
If the Americans are so keen why didn’t they offer the French or others for that matter a full DACT starting at BVR within a scenario attacker/defender, maybe switching roles after the first few sessions? Is it because they know that no ones has a chance anyway or do they fear that the other side may exploit ways to counter F-22s or gather information the Americans are gathering themself?

I’m the one talking nonsense? people are making up wild conspiracy theories saying that nothing on the F-22 works, and every pilot is in on this massive fraud? But I’m the one talking nonsense? You do realize that the F-22s locked up the Rafales for a BVR shot right? You do realize that its a lot easier to collect signals intelligence when the F-22 is in plane sight or RTB right?

The F-22 either in transit or simply goofing off was able to lock up the Rafale undetected
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