bob909Thats it – now its official. The girl wounded NOT by israeli weapon. Whole scene was shooted at another place. HAMAS is realy want peace – we all can see that.
P.S. exactly like the boy that was symbol of intifada till today – he is alive, dont worry.
bob909What else do you expect? the Arabs will sit and lay eggs while their brothers are being thrown out and their homes being burnt down and their lands being stolen….why?
No-no-no, before all refugee campaing (organized by Arabs too – mullas did told pals to run) 3 days after Independance Day the war was started. Why?
Becuase Hitler went mad and someone remembered his great great grand daddy lived there 5000 years ago….if you look at things….Not the fault of Arabs…
Since most of arabs did helped to Hitler and to any other power at ME to kill jews – their too.
More Palestinians have been thrown out than Jews, while What Arabs say about throwng out Israeli remains a rhetoric, The Israel has ACTUALLY DONE THAT….So the fact on the ground is an opposite of Arab rhetoric.
If terrorists snipers dont shame to bring dosen of 12-14 children to cover their operation, or HAMAS leaders meetings organized at school, or they use ambulances to bring weapons and IEDs it probably would less.
This is an interesting point – here all Arabs forgetting that pals are brothers and keeping them in refuge camps and sloughting them by tens of thousands (Syria, Jordan).
And Israel never targeted civilians at purpose, dont bring here newspapers estamps. You comparing Palestine to Pakistan? Ok lets compare – how much suicide bombers targeted civilian targets in India? Compare it to pals. You see?
As far as Palestinians are concerend..for them to exist is to resist.
No. Thats what islamic radicalists want them to believe. If they would stop terror even for a short time – they would get their country. (No if you calling 13 kassams per day truce).
Israel left Gaza – did they built even one building? – they overpopulated – no. They using those empty places to lunch Kassams closer to Sderot, to target school (one week ago) or kindergarten (several days ago).
Israeli settlers wanted to move from Gaza flowers agrocomplex ($9mln worth) – pals whined – US and european citizens gave the money. Complex was destroyed on the next day after ISF left Gaza.
They aked for help because of lack of medicaments – Israel forwarded 500 tons of those – they didnt accepted and demanded money.
You know what? Arafat at least lied he wants peace – HAMAS even not trying.
bob909flex297, you judging a country you dont know in a situation you have not a clue, and telling me about words? You continiue to blame only Israel – its exactly what antisemitism is. First and only provocation Israel did – it clamed Jewish state in 1948 and what happened next? All arab nations started war with Israel till all jews will be in the sea (1948 arabs rethorics till today). You may to continiue believe to BBC/Al Jazeera reports and Palestinians sources. But to people that at least read about situation from more credible sources – you look mmm… funny. And dont tell me that Israel is not jewish state – its muslims dream, I know, but it wont happen.
Sens, how much exactly Israel got “foreign” money when purchased those Centurions? You dont know… So why to spread lies? It wasnt enough even for 100.
Nothing similar was happen in Afghanistan. US sold stingers to Osama and not payed for children education like Israel.
bob909Compare – “Israel started all the thing with HAMAS” and “Israel supported welfare charity (clinics, kindergartens, education – Mujama activities). When somebody revert the facts like this about Israel (state of jews) I call it antisemitism.
Just one example – 1000 Centurion tanks its not “pretty much out of this game”. Ok, I’ll say you probably didnt know that, and wouldnt call you antisemit or lier.
Since you again and again did not brought even one argument, but only newspapers slogans – I call it flaming or trolling – whatever you like.
bob909HAMAS is basically an own child of Israel.
– LIES
HAMAS raised from non-militant Islamic organization called al-Ikhwan al-Muslimin
– TRUE
the key word – non-militant
under control and financing of Israeli government
– LIES
Those lies was started by article http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_hamas2.html .
Only who dont know where Israel is or sure that jews always guilty can believe to this article.
This article http://www.mideastweb.org/hamashistory.htm a little better, but even here noticed that Israel supported Mujama, and not HAMAS. After HAMAS was created and started terrorist activities Israel never supported them.
What I find furthermore interesting are the numbers of dead during the 2nd Intifada. 973 dead Israelis against 3491 dead Palestinians.
If you will read some military analitics and not antisemitic jornalists you will understand why. Here a little quote:
Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties since martyrs and collateral deaths exacerbate the
problem. Israel uses various methods to deal with terrorists when women and children are present.
When practical, they use rubber bullets to save civilian lives. Israeli snipers are carefully
positioned in critical locations to selectively “take out” terrorists who use civilians as human
shields. http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/Urban-control.pdf
The miscalculated Israeli attempts to conquer the whole area by political tricks, insurgent terrorist operations and/or direct military involvement added a large contribution to escalation of the whole problem..
– another antisemitic journalists bulsh1t. Israel “conquer” all those land AFTER all arab neibourhs attacked Israel.
So now, let them clean their own mess, gentlemen – but without massive military aid and other luxuries.
All those billions goes to pockets of american/european weapons manufacturers, and not to Israel.
Flex297, let me ask you personal question (first and last time) – are you muslim or weapons manufacturer? What is your interest to flame here?
bob9094X-IL, remember first rule of forum poster? Dont feed trolls – they’ll gone by themselfs.
bob909flex297, blame just yourself. If you cant see difference between palestinans and israelis what are you doing in this topic at all? Insulting opponent instead of argumenting – the way of not smart person (at least). Dont bother to answer – there is enough offtopic in this thread. Just go to Gaza, after ten minutes your opinion will be very different.
bob909Hamas didnt even get started before you can say anything.
Oh, believe me they started. Check the news.
They were sanctioned and Palestinions were clearly told that the West will dictate them who there leader is, not democracy.
Palestinians reading western newspapers? Very realistic point of view 🙂
America it seems has created more dictatorships than democracy.
Blaming US that Islam world has more dictators, than all other countries together? 🙂 Think for a second – it might be another reason.
Abbas is basically running the show, who was supposed to be kicked out by the people.
Abbas is running his office and very few security agents (not for a long time). BUT! He is capable to do some decisions that could change situation. 1st one is referendum (if you for democracy – 77% of Palestinians support “prisoners letter”, BTW only 37% of them would vote HAMAS if voting be now – thats why I calling it fulling of democracy). 2nd one is taking power from HAMAS – but that one will cost him a lot (probably his life, as far i know the reality in the East).
Thats why no one gives a jack about demoncracy America intends to spread in Islamic world. They have more dictators here then democractic leaders.
Again blaming all but not yourself… Theres is no good governments (never was), US is not exception, but at first you should check yours, and after that criticise other.
bob909What you should have discovered by now is that supercruise means flying over 1M without AB Something that, I repeat, your beloved Flanker isn’t capable (and no Russian plane will be for some years). As well as maneuvring at high speeds/high altitudes in the way the Raptors does.
And by the way, MiG 25 and MiG 31 were indeed the fastest interceptors ever built, but let me remind you that the planes that reached for the first time 1M, 2M and 3M were American ones…
You not listen, but repeating same arguments not connected to subject. US is the best, viva Roma (sarcasm tag).
So the Russians did not “discover” anything regarding high speeds…
And Australia somewhere near England (sarcasm tag)
bob909Much credit to the Palestinian people, that was absolutely fabulous. That is democracy truly at work. The US government should embrace the Palestinian election as a model for the rest of the non-democratic world. The results of that would be interesting to watch.
This is how democracy been fulled. It took just few month for Palestinians to understand how HAMAS fulled of them. Probably because they see what happen over there. For americans it will take few years (like usual) because repeating CNN slogans not helping to see what is real in this world.
bob909You should divide your opinion about Egypt and Iran, ecpecially when it connected to politics toward Israel. Look at news of last week or two. Egypt arrest members of islamistic movement – Iran transfer to Hizballa 200 km range rockets. Egypt investigate bombing at Dahab and find connections to palestinians and Al-Qaeda – Iran end another fase of enriching uranium. Etc. In the nearest future Egypt wont be an enemy of Israel (I hope), but Iran even without “hot” war is trying to destroy Israel every day.
bob909So unless a fighter is not able to supercuise at 1.7M/60,000 feet, something that your beloved Flanker (or any future Russian plane in the comming years) can,t :p :diablo: 😀 supermaneuvrability is not useless, but at least futile.
If you dont know something it doesnt mean it not exist. What you discovered today russian pilots knew for 30 years with Mig-25 and Mig-31 expirience.
bob909How exactly you connected Palestinians to nuclear weapons?
If you compare Israel to Iran its possible to understand how far you from Middle East conflicts. Like moon approximately.
bob909Two reasons: -It will be too much of an already overwelming power shift, where Egypt would have to get the same platform… and more important: We aren’t interested in seeing yet more tech bled to China.
Thats why US insist to put US techs?
bob909Why to talk about you dont know? Those billions Israel get every year not because US is nice country, but because Israel returned Sinai to Egypt under pressure of US. Compare amout of aid before Camp Daviv and after – you’ll understand more. 2 bln $ is exactly the price of oil Egypt sell fron Sinai. US is getting their profits from Israel, Israel too. Its good for both countries (besides those sells of Israel techs by US to Israel enemies). Again and again we can see Hitlers sentences in this thread. Whats wrong with you guys?
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