I started a thread on it in July. I believe there’s one group sniffing around at it, maybe more.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?131198-Wellington-wreck-near-Naxos&highlight=
From the location given, I think its this one.
http://www.archieraf.co.uk/archie/7656tlp.html#april287656tlp
I should have said, in comparison to a Griffon engined Spitfire. I had the pleasure of walking around one while it was running and with exhaust stubs its distinctly louder to the sides and this may affect any recording, and therefore any comparison.
Similarly a Rover Meteor in a Centurion tank sounds similar to a Merlin but not the same. A Meteor with exhaust stubs sounds near identical.
That’s right, it is manifolded, and to be fair, the sound is less pronounced, but is certainly still there. The exhaust pipes fed from each bank of 6 is 5″ diameter and 3 to 4ft long and cuts out much of the high frequency.
Minimans, yes changing the cam on the Griffon in Miss Canada IV made the engine sound different, though the Merlin cam timing and overlap sits in between these two, and both versions of the Griffon share that unique “uneven firing” effect which is absent in the Merlin
Pete
One thing I’ve noticed with the Shackleton manifold exhaust is that it changes where you can hear the sound from. Its very directed. Stand in front, and you can hear the engines, but they are muted and there’s a lot of propeller noise. Stand behind and slightly off to one side and you hear pure Griffon.
Hi all,
This weeks report is a bit of a climb down from last weeks high point. Its been a case of moving the archive of documentation and spares we have in order to make way for some building development (don’t worry, I’m told its nothing bad, just replacement of old with new). As always our friends at Air Atlantique have come up trumps and found us alternative storage space – yet another example of their long standing support of our project. before we put the parts into storage we made sure to put on one side the new brake components ready to sort the leak we found on the port mainwheel.
Things are still going on in the background, and as a result I’m now in possession of the NDT schedule and the SI’s and STI’s that apply to Shackletons. I’ve been told to take them and go talk to a friendly NDT company, hopefully this will result in some progress as the people we’ve spoke to seem very enthusaistic to get stuck into things. Tentative dates are being bounced around for the Shackleton going into the hangar; the indications are that to make everything mutually convenient it will likely be after Christmas. Not a problem as it allows us to see out the last couple of engine run ups this year that we have planned.
The next one is 11th October, so if anyone wants to experience a live and growling Shackleton for themselves, come down and say hello!
Kind regards,
Rich
It was fantastic! I was lucky enough to be manning the engineers panel, and it was whole new experience for me to feel the Shackleton to be moving around rather than just quivering under the power of a run up. The first time the brakes were applied the vibration was incredible, as surface corrosion on the brake drums was removed, but what stands out was how easily she moved under so little power.
I’m told several people were getting misty eyed while stood watching near Hangar 7, and not all of it was caused by the propwash. :eagerness:
I’m praying (or as close as it gets for me) the NDT doesn’t show up anything bad. Then I’ll be begging off anyone who’ll listen to find the funding required to finish the job and get WR963 in the air. We can’t stop now.
On a slightly sadder note… I’m told the two Shackletons at Paphos (WL747 and WL757) are not there any longer. Given the lack of communication coming our way when we’ve asked the airport about the fate of these two, can anybody confirm/deny this? It would be a shame to find they’ve been quietly disposed of.
Great to see her taxiing again. What are the timescales and major hurdles to overcome to achieve first flight?
Timescales are dependant on how much work needs to be done and how much money we can raise. The major hurdle is still the spar booms – although the bottom has 594 hours left, and the top has no life limit set as such, we need to know their true condition. This will require NDT work, planned for over winter if we can get everyone’s schedules to match.
Hi all,
As has been posted, we managed to get WR963 taxying yesterday.
We’re truly sorry we couldn’t let people know this was going to happen. It wasn’t planned, things fell into place very late in the day after WR963 completed yet another flawless run up. I know several people were phoning, sending texts and posting on Facebook to try and get people to Coventry in the short space of time between the static run up and the taxying. I have to say yesterday wouldn’t have been possible without the massive help of the Classic Air Force staff on site, and also our pilot Jon Corley who agreed at very short notice to captain the Shackleton for a brief stretch of her legs.
Was it a success? Yes in part.
It proved the work we’re doing is going the right way, but it exposed a few issues. We have radios working properly, so WR963 was officially G-SKTN yesterday and communicating with Coventry Airport as such for the first time since we registered her. The problem was again the brakes… we lost a brake sac/bag on the port wheel which bled away pneumatic pressure, and unfortunately it was fed from the same system which supplies the parking brake. We had to taxy in and shut down with brake pressure remaining, so we were limited to the few hundred yard we covered. It was hoped initially we were going to go further.
We can fix it, we have new brake sacs in store, but it means jacking the aircraft and pulling the offending wheel off. We want to complete the run ups we have scheduled before we crack on with this, so the intent is to get it done over winter and we’ll start next season by taxying the Shackleton again, before trying to push her to biggger and better things.
I’m still smiling though.. she moaned, she groaned and she shook, but she taxied!
Regards,
Rich
Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the compliments!
We have the four engines on the wing, and their life and history is known – from the fairly fresh No 2 engine to the slightly suspect No 3. Thankfully we have six spare engines in store which are part of the last batch that were overhauled by the RAF just before the Shackleton left service. They were very well inhibited, but we will still have to have them checked over which will no doubt cost us. We also have been storing up propellers, translation units, control surfaces, hydraulic components, cables, bearings, and electrical items. The idea is to cover everything off the list of lifed items/component life logs, and so far we’re doing fairly well. We’ve traded where needed to cover some of the gaps, and purchased other items.
In terms of major fundraising we have a few avenues we’re following, but they won’t pay off for a couple of years at best. One such project is involving the digitisation and sales of a the Shackleton design drawings. As with any project like this the begging bowl will have to go out at some point. We’re putting it off as much as possible, but if people want to donate we’re happy to take it and put it towards the return to flight. So far, none of us (up to and including the Trustees, Chairman and the Accountant) are taking any renumeration out of things – but please remember we don’t work for the Trust as a full time occupation. As this grows bigger, its likely we’ll need paid staff at some point.
For now though, we’re doing okay. Most of our monthly run ups are well attended enough that the cost of fuel is covered, we hope this will be also the case when we taxy the aircraft in the near future.
As mentioned in an earlier post, the next run up is this Saturday (27th September).
Kind regards,
Rich
Hi Druid,
I’m really going to have to get you to write a book! Its awesome when you find out little bits like this, and it gives sense to something that didn’t seem to when you first look at it.
Regarding East Kirkby, don’t worry at all. Everyone there was under the spell of three Lancasters – including me and the rest of our team that made it up there. There’ll be plenty more times to meet up and talk all things Shack.
Kind regards,
Rich
Hi all,
First off apologies for the lack of updates, we have been busy over the past few months, but circumstances at home and work haven’t given me much time to write things up.
So what has been going on since June?
Well, we had the hydraulic hand pump issue, which was resolved thanks to a spare sent down from our frineds at Elvington. The hydraulics had been bled, and the system was found to be spot on, with the pump handle staying where it should be and no idling circuit created by fluid travelling through it under engine driven pressure.
The next few runs were carried out without incident, with the exception of one where No 1 engine refused to shut down! We’re not sure whether No 1 running on was a gremlin or just WR963 wanting to keep going while she feels fit. Either way – we needed all the engines to start and stop on command, so the Slow Running Cut-off and magnetos were the suspects, especially given the staining under the cowling when it finally shut down..

The intake trunking was removed and the SRCO activated, and we had a few dribbles of fuel. Switching the system on and off produced some fuel down the drain before it cleared up. Chances are it was caused by old seals and long periods of inactivity. 20 minutes of ground running a month just isn’t the same as several hundred hours of flight. The magnetos were checked, and a small amount of moisture had caused corrosion on the switch terminals – a perfect example of how small things can cause much bigger problems.
During bouts of wet weather we’ve been sorting through our stores, which resulted in a deal being made for some surplus mainwheels we had. These went out to Lincolnshire, for NDT, conversion and use on Lancaster aircraft! Loading them was hot and dusty work, but all concerned were happy with the results.

3 hubs still in crates, and six mainwheels, all in all, leaving us with a similar more manageable number in store – and some much needed room!
Work turned back to WR963 and the first thing to get done was to give the aircraft a wash. This was achieved using a rather nifty water supply and plenty of volunteer labour!


We ended up with a Shackleton that looked more like it was ready to fly over the Atlantic rather than float in it, which raised morale considerably.

Turning back to the aircraft the other long standing pain in the rear has been the pneumatics, in particular the storage crate in the nose. Several leaks have proved remarkably difficult to trace, not helped by the redundant APX-7 crate. The decision was taken to remove the racking and make access to the crate easier, and this meant we could then trace and rectify the leaks in seconds rather than hours.

On the next run up we found no leaks, and the system pressure was charging like we’ve never seen before on both sides. From 0 to 300psi inside 20 minutes, and pressure still showing a week later is a far cry from one system working and leaking it out in minutes.
WR963 is now doing rather well. No electrical gremilns, all generators and inverters working, radio, pneumatics, fuel priming. She’s just waiting on our pilot being available and then she will be trying a small taxy up and down to stretch her legs!
In the meantime, we took some fresh fuel on and have some more run ups over the next month or so.
Dates are: 27th September, 11th October and 27th October. As always at 1pm, inside the Classic Air Force compound.
Regards,
Rich
Its not undercarriage doors, as they are operated by a small link rod off the main landing gear legs.
They still run up 1722, on a monthly basis. The next run is on the 30th August.
Not sure of how things affect Vulcans, but Shackletons had varying lives based on the work they were doing, and it had to be put into a Fatigue Index formula. Circuits and bumps seemed a quick way to use up FI, with MOTU use, Maritime and AEW work being less stressful in that order. Just to make it more confusing, various components have different lives, including three parts of the spar boom.