You said unlike you meaning to imply I somehow condone it, so no im not making up lies but its you who is making things up. Im against the flogging of women anywhere is that loud and clear for you, and im not acknowledging the subject because its social and cultural related not religious. There is many interpretations to shariah law and what you are describing is not universal in muslim countries, take turkey for example. And lif you that much worried about social and cultural issues why dont you take more worry on the american women being raped every 2 mins, women traffacing across mexico and other ills of society created by man.

As for current crimes, americans have killed this century alone more muslim civilians than muslims have killed american civilians. So cut the bull out on barbaric ideologies/crimes because they are present today.

You list acts regarded and treated like crimes by the west and then compare them to acts committed and condoned by Islamic states. That is a fundamentally flawed approach.

Rape in the west is condemned and punished, in the Islamic world the victim is punished……brutally. There is no comparison so stop trying to make one.

Stop trying to blame the oppressive and violent nature of Islam on the west and take responsibility for Islams actions.

Since when have I condoned flogging women or threatening murder? why do you do this to yourself making things up about me.

Old western idiologies dont make me laugh, these ideologies still exist. Stonning women to death isnt right as much as making concentration camps to kill jewish people for the simple reason of them being jewish. Accept that barbarism exists in all parts of the world and its not localised to any religion/race/peoples.

Again you are lying, I did not say that you condone it. It utterly destroys you that you keep lying.:mad: It does however puzzle me that you refuse to acknowledge the subject let alone condemn it.

You are still using 60 year old western ideologies to justify current crimes being committed on a large scale by Muslims.:mad:

Go and check out how many states supply components for big projects, F-22 is a great example. Its pork all the way baby!:D

Sealord admit when your wrong, yes ok you havnt called me names in this thread but you have a previous one, and again I ask you since when have i said i support any violent ideology? see now thats you making things up as allways.

The militants are fighting america and britain because of geo-political reasons, the notion your giving just because america and britain and any other country for that matter cosumes alcohol, or enjoys pornography is simply wrong. Those factors are not enough to brain wash a person. Look back abit when alqueda declared war on america and look at the reasons they gave, alcohol wasnt one of them :rolleyes:

You obviously have no clue about islam. Il pray for you maybe one day your blinkers will come off.

Once again you are ignoring the persecution of women, homosexuals, liberals etc etc as a result of Islam.:mad:

I am not wrong, I am right. This is an ideological war, one between an ideology that treats women as sub human, engages in medieval punishments and has genocidal tendencies. You are the one who is clueless and you are a proven liar.

Laughable to you maybe because you havnt got a clue. The Chechan militants are fighting for their independance it just so happens they are muslim, it does not make it a fight between russia and islam.

Islamic militants maybe against alcohol just as most muslims may be but that is the most absurd reason to go to war against the west. Maybe if you looked into the core issues which are political you may actually come out of your fairy tale.

As for the flogging of a raped woman, i would be more concerned about the american women being raped every 2 minutes in america if i was you to confront the problems you have within your own society and let the other countries manage their own affairs.

As usual you avoid the point, when confronted with the savage and barbaric nature of the ideology you support you resort to lies and criticism of the west.

It is common knowledge that Islamic militants hate the west on ideological grounds just as much, if not more so, than pure geopolitics.

That’s because they’re re-using old fuselages, built more or less completely by hand to tolerances which one might call . . interesting, by modern standards. The new wings, precisely made by CAM, have to be made slightly different for each one. If they made the wings to the same tolerances as the old fuselages, using the same techniques, & assembled them the same way as was originally done, the fitters would be trimming things to fit. Not acceptable now.

The problem would not exist if they built new fuselages, of course.

Exactly, but when that was ‘re-discovered’ it suddenly reminded everybody exactly how old these things are.;)

Not strictly true,as it is still legal to own an ak ,may be not a 47 version but one of its brothers ,as long as they are manual strait pull ,which means the weapon has to be cocked after every shot.Which to be perfectly honest makes no difference after being hit with a 7.62 round.;)
Mr tebbits idea though basically flawed, in his now renowned tactless way he isn’t too far off the truth.
I think the peer comes from a generation which were brought up on war and guns ,thus not seeing them as a status symbol.
Today’s yob culture think owning or carrying a weapon makes them more powerful,they dont care about the aftermath of a shooting as there long gone then.
Now how to introduce the little tykes to a regulated gun community who will try to teach and inform also show the wounds from firearms.
How about the army…..

I dare you to find me a UK legal AK-47.;)

There is anecdotal (and I have witnessed it in my own line of work) evidence that the current generation, and before, simply do not appreciate the effect of metal on flesh until they see it. Its not necessarily a military thing just purely one of comprehension.

We have Dionis demonstrating the dictionary definition of denial regardless of anything trivial such as fact and Lawrence rupturing vital organs attempting to point out, to someone irrational, that they are being irrational.

There are certain things that are just facts and it drives me insane that we have people on this forum who defy all logic!

On the issue of a war on Islam……damn straight that is what the US is fighting, its just no one has the guts to admit it.

The ironic thing is that even the most deranged Russian fan boy should support it. Islamic extremists hate them almost as much as they hate Americans. Hell if you have ever drunk vodka you have crossed a line as far as your average Jihadist is concerned. I will give you a practical example, the UK is currently fighting an Islamic insurgency on its own soil, so far it has not progressed to true military operations but it is COIN nonetheless. When the UK police seize a Jihadi’s computer they never find pornography. More to the point they despise it to the point whereby they want to kill anyone who views such material.