The actual example was the husband of a battered wife.Hardly in the same league.

OK, the cowardly little sh!t that beats his wife daily for years is killed by the wife. Either in a rage attack or a planned killing. One assumes that she has been so mentally tortured that she dare not, even cannot, leave. Killing him is her only way out. Most of them deserve it IMO.

Or, the Josef Fritzl case. Even the Archbishop of Canterbury would pull the trigger on that bassad!

Well Merlin,I’m delighted to know that any child’s life is more important and precious than mine.I don’t see how you or anyone else can put a quantitave value on life.ALL life,however short or long,is precious.Naturally as adults we protect children and I’d willingly die for my daughter,but I wouldn’t presume to value anyone’s life as being “worth” more than anyone else’s.

No sorry BB, you already presume your daughters life is worth more than your own. As I do mine. It is in built as humans to feel this way.
I would jump into a swolen river to save other peoples kids…….knowing that I may leave 5 of my own fatherless.
….but would I jump in to save an adult that is not related to me? At this point I’d say I doubt it very much…….but at the time, I dunno.

There are a good few people who have been on this Earth as long as you who share my views. Do NOT patronise me.

Paul

What’s the big BOLD for? Looks a bit like a threat to me.

You are the one directing insults. I simply answered your allegation that I do not think things through, and justified it with my age.

And equally there are plenty of people older than me which share my views…but it isn’t a pi55ing contest, it’s a debate, into which you are throwing insults.

OK, another angle.
Who, in their right mind could resist the thought of killing the likes of Pol Pot?
Never mind any TV coverage or senstionalism….the Gun is in your hand, he is at the height of his menacing power. He is 3 feet in front of you. You have the means to stop it.
I wager that no person reading this would hesitate to pull that trigger at least 4 times.
All life is not equal, it never can be.

Old Shapes’ arguments are rarely well thought out and are full of contradiction. I wouldn’t worry about his extremist views too much. He’ll prove himself wrong in another few posts, I’m sure.

Paul

PMN, I have had considerably many more years on this earth than you, and have thought my views out very thoroughly. Concluding in the ultimate position that the scum I detest are better off dead.

This is a debate to which I have contributed a viewpoint and kept from emotion and person to person attacks.
It is you that is directing personal insults at me…which says a lot about you, and more about me.

So now some people ” deserve to be murdered “?

Idi aMin, Saddo Hussy, Pol pot, Adolf, Mussy, Mugabe…..needn’t go on really?

Killing someone is killing someone.It’s completely irrelevant whether they’re defenceless or not .Of course the murder of a child is the most emotionally involving.But you’re saying it deserves the severest of punishments,it seems to me,precisely BECAUSE it’s emotionally involving.Why would you treat the killer of ,say a two year old,any differently from,say,the killer of a 19 stone female Ronnie Barker look-alike ?

What’s my ex Mother in law go to do with this?
There is a notion of defencelessness.
I’m thinking of the difference between the cold blooded murder versus a sub-human murder of a child.
In all our lives, there must have been somebody one wished dead, the red mist rises and you could quite easily throttle some people. However, we don’t. Some people lose the plot and do it. This is not usually classed as murder.
Some people plot to kill another person in revenge. This is murder and is cold blooded. Although some people deserve it….for example the females that have been battered by husbands for years on end so she poisons him. Is it murder or “Just cause”.
Now imagine how low life you need to be to plot against a child? I will always think of these sorts as far inferior to a slug…and I wipe them out with glee. (Blue pellets actually).

I don’t follow your thinking,old shape.On one hand you say premeditated murder once carried a mandatory death sentence,but you don’t want that.On the other hand you want a death sentence for child killers .That means you’re quantifying the taking of a child’s life as somehow being worse than that of an adult.When would you draw the line?Would someone murdering an 18 year old be allowed to live?Would one day older make a difference ?Abhorrent as child murder is to anyone,I don’t see that it should be made a special case.All life,even that of the scum you’re so fond of talking about,should be equally respected .

Well, presently our law is “Child” as 16 years or younger. Take that as a datum. Even though a lot of 16 year olds these days are as big as a Wigan prop. and could easily defend themselves.
I don’t see all life as equal, for the reasons I described. I would gladly sacrifice my life to save my children. Most parents would I imagine…..so there is an in-built adjustment of the value of life.
Pre meditated attacks on defenceless children that cannot hit back is sub-human, the perps deserve far more punishment than the bloke down the pub who kills another bloke for sleeping with his wife.
However, the defenceless children rule can also be applied to the defenceless pensioner that can’t even get out of the armchair. For some reason, as sick as killing pensioners is….it doesn’t seem as sick as the child killer case. Maybe just a plain death sentance for them.