I agree completely, that the JSF is a bit of a superfluous waste. Is there any chance that it will be cancelled, or is it more likely that the JSF program will continue, and the F-22 program will suffer?
Arthur mentioned the existence of an escort B-24 similar in concept to the YB-40. You wouldn’t know anything about that, would you Flood? 🙂
As I said to JDK on Sunday, it is just who is able to answer first with what references they have to hand! I am sure that had this question been posted at this time of night (UK BST) then a few more Americans would have sewn it up for you…
All I have is that book on the Fortress – if it is wrong or incomplete then I will look a fool amongst my peers (again) and, hopefully, I too will be enlightened when some one posts that they do, in fact, have a YB40 stored in their tool shed against the time when they can retire…;)Are you slagging Anna?:mad:
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Of course I’m not slagging Anna, Flood; I’m sorry if it sounded like I was making trouble here. 🙂 I’m completely harmless, trust me.
I thank you for the fantastic information and pictures you provided Flood- they’re excellent. Please, provide more if you should have the info- it’s greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Bloody hell 😮
What?
I didn’t know you knew so much about historic aviation Flood! I figured you just hung around on the GD Forum pining after Anna and making clever jokes. 🙂
Where do you think the other guns would have gone? The waist gunners were already operating two guns per side, there was an extra turret over the radio compartment, the ‘fighter’ was already as heavy as a loaded B17 but at least they could drop some of their weight and gain speed on the way home; the XB/YB40 was just as heavy when it had to turn for home.
It’s possible that the extra guns could be installed in the nose in forward firing pods a la some of the B-25 Mitchell attack bombers.
Right, that’s the same website I came across as well. I was hoping that some worthy memebers on this board might somehow have such images even if the website author didn’t…..:)
Oops, one more from Flood.
Flood posted his reply to my question on the Historic Aviation Forum- take a look at that chin turret!
“Checking my copy of The B17 Flying Fortress Story by Freeman and Osborne it says that the XB40/YB40 carried 14 x .50 calibre guns and three times the ammunition of a standard B17F. This was later upped to 16 guns when the cheek positions were added. It was not a success.
42-5897, a B17F from the 385th BG, was given a 20mm cannon but the recoil was regarded as compromising the safety of the nose compartment and was found to be difficult to aim also.
42-38090 was one of five B17Gs from 97th BG which had a similar 20mm cannon fitted in their tails.
B17G 42-31435 of the 384th BG suffered damage to its nose and was fitted with a fixed battery of six .50 calibre guns to be fired by the pilot in the event of a head on attack. It did fly a few operational sorties in July 1944 but suffered a crash landing before it could be used.
Pictures:
Top row – the nose mounted 20mm cannon installation.
Bottom row left – the tail mounted 20mm cannon.
Bottom row right – 42-31435’s six .50 gun pack.
B17G 42-38090 and its tail mounted 20mm cannon in flight.
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Thanks Flood! That’s a great picture- too bad they didn’t adopt all 6 guns in the chin turret for the B-17G. 🙂
Was there ever a YB-40 that carried ~30 guns?
Is that a CG image, or is it real?
Two questions about mthat YB40….
First, would’nt the performance be a lot worse than the B-17? Lower speed due to increased drag from all those turrets and lower altitude due to extra gun weight, gun mountings, ammo and gunner crew. (a bit like gun equipped UH-1’s in Vietnam which although designed to escort troop carrying Heuy’s, could not keep up. Which sort of defeated the object of having an escort in the 1st place..)
Secondly, would there not have been a danger of freindly fire incidents with all those guns at various angles…
Yes, with all the guns, they found they it couldn’t even keep up with the B-17s it was supposed to escort! However, the YB-40s could more than defend itself, and on the initial test mission, destoyed 5 enemy aircraft and had 2 unconfirmed kills I think.
The one part of the YB-40 program that was used on later B-17Gs was the chin turret.
Ooh, great pic Mark2, thanks!
I hope someone took a picture of the 40mm version….
How does it compare in size to an F-15?
A Ninja throwing ninja stars. 🙂
Google you’re so smart. 🙂
Thanks, I try. 🙂