It is, together with the fuselage centre section, didn’t there was a large wingsection at the crash site as well. Mark recently posted some pics of the items in storage.
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Cees
It doesn’t look like a Hasting pannier according to these pics (airliners.net to the rescue again). Back to Halifax/Halton? Couldn’t find any pics of Warwicks with panniers.
Cees
Pogno,
The thing is distorted and twisted out of shape and I suspect the weight of the sides have forced the ends out of shape, but the Halifax isn’t nearly that flatbottomed as you would suspect.
But as you say it can be Hastings as well being much a more rounded design than the Halifax.
Let’s see if it’s still around then we can check. The Constellation used speedpacks but these were different in shape (more streamlined). Anyone going to find out this weekend? :rolleyes:
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Cees
I know, I’m more into the recovery bit of aircraft preservation, but are there any possibilties that remains of these racing machines are still resting at the bottom somewhere? Especially the more obscure ones such as the Gloster racer?
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Cees
This is what it looks like in situ (photo courtesy of airliners.net)
Cees
Tony,
What happened to the other five Hurricane canopies?
During my telephone conversation with Ian Foster he mentioned that the Halifax bombdoors were mostly the short rear doors but that some of the important hinges were still present and that one bomb door was restored while others were used as patterns (Deryck, you know more about that than I do). There were also wing bomb doors present there. He also mentioned that near Elgin a Firefly canopy is in use in a garden.
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Cees
Hi chaps,
Spoke to Ian Foster about it on the phone (Elliott and Phil, he says hi!) last evening and he confirmed that this is not the relic he found. That one was in bad partial conditon and is in storage in Yorkshire.
So this is a “new” find, would be nice to let the IWM know for their collection don’t you think?
Please anyone do take action to save it if it’s still there. You can see the two heavy constrution arcs that fit into the bombbay.
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Cees
Thanks Paul,
It seems the Halifax gains more fans every week, thanks to this forum.
Keep it up. One of the photographs in this thread shows the “aircraft” from a frontquarter point of view and the wings and engine nacelles scream out:
Halifax/Halton . The undercarriage lfrom the front looks different however.
Pity about her fate, but then again at that time you could get a Halifax for scrap value. The Panton brothers wanted one and could get one for 100 pounds to commemorate their brother but their father vetoed the idea. Decades later they bought Lancaster NX611, oh if only. Ok back to reality.
Oh and, my Halifax control column (being a co-pilot version) is probably from a Halton as it came from Germany, and could (speculation only) be from one of the Haltons that crashed during the Berlin Airlift. Who knows.
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Cees
Well, these things can be found all over Europe (and wouldn’t surprise me if in other countries all over the world).
The Fw200 Condor project in Germany uses a fuselage section that was formerly in use in eastern germany to shelter a trabant. It’s now on show at the Deutsche Technik Museum in Berlin and is fitted out with passenger seats, it looks fantastic. There was a rumoured Constellation fuselage section (Roger?) in use in a garden near Amsterdam. We got a complete Rotol propeller from a belly landed Wellington that had been standing in a garden for decades without the missing propeller tips. A section of B17 showing wing battle repairs in use as a fence. In Belgium a tailsection of a B17 was in use as a garden barbeque:D
The most puzzling items I ever saw in flypast were Brewster Bermuda canopies in a UK garden (US designated Buccaneer, with now only a few preserved). The Elvington Halifax reconstruction uses a dorsal turret cupola that came from a garden.
Cotswolds Aircraft Restoration Group formerly at Innsworth got a lot of interesting items from gardens,sheds etc. Even Lancaster flame exhaust shrouds that were in use as pig feeding gutters, they were reported to be provided to the BBMF (Fluffy?)
Alan (air ministry) you must know a lot about these finds as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if the RAF Museum in their infant days got a lot of these finds, a pic in Aeroplane showed a lot of turret cupolas in storage.
Keep them coming
Cees
Bl**dy Hell!
Is this the same item as found by 57Rescue and what I was asking about recently. If not and is still there, get it out as fast as you can.
😮 😮 😮
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Cees
The frontarea of our museum (you can’t call it a garden) has a fence made from sections of Junkers 52 mainspars. Years ago one of our members visited a loca garage to find an Oerlikon 20mm gunmount. While rummaging in the area he tripped and when trying to get onto his feet again he looked up and saw that the roofstructure was made of a large number of these wingspars. Leftovers from wartime repairs from the nearby Fokker factory. As the roof was to be renewed he arranged to get the spars but the owner thought he wanted them for scrap and made things easier by cutting them into sections 😮 One was left intact and that is now on display in our museum while the rest was made into a fence.:D
About the great responses:
I think it was indeed a Felixstowe nose section. Great to see so much response to this interesting thread. Who knows what’s left to find. Ian Foster told me about the Halifax bombdoors (and was also reported upon in FlyPast), the doors however were not in good condtion and served as a pattern for new doors (Deryck, pleas correct me if I’m wrong). Also half a Halifax C Mk VIII cargo carrier was found (anyone know if that turned up in Canada as well) During the active 57Rescue days Ian and friends discovered a lot of interesting items in gardens etc. One section of Halifx NA142 was even found to be in use as a shed and was later transported to Canada to fill in the missing rear fuselage section of NA337.
From the top of my head there were articles in flypast about Hurricane canopies near the editorial office in Stamford at the time, a Typhoon canopy frame as well as a section of Stirlilng N3600 (serial?). Propeller blades serving as a fence and of course many turret cupolas (any more of those?).
Keep them coming chaps
Cees
Don’t know about a Belgian Stirling find, would be nice though, aren’t you referring to the Vraux Stirling fuselage remains?
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Cees
A section of fuselage from a Mk IV Stirling was used as a garden shed for many years. It came from one lost during Market Garden. There are some photos, including a nice series documenting its move to the local museum, here: http://www.museumvlbdeelen.nl/index-1.html. Look under ‘Diversen’, De Short Stirling, pictures are under ‘Klik hier voor foto’s’ 😀
Cees, have you seen this ‘in the flesh’?
DS
Hi DS
Yes, I’ve seen it and it looks magnificent in it’s own wright. It cannot be used for a reconstruction without replacing the formers which have all been cut off at the base unfortunately, but it’s a prime example of what I was aiming at.
In the UK a mid fuselage section of a Wellington was found in use as a green house and incorporated into the Loch Ness Wellington. IIRC there was also a nose section of a WWI British flying boat in use as a shed. Anyone have pics of turret cupolas retrieved from gardens? Peter, the Nanton museum recentely got a Type E tailturret from a Halifax from the UK.
Keep them coming
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Cees
Put a Merlin engine on top of it, problem solved
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Cees
Hi Max,
Yes, I am a lucky man but don’t tell her;) I wil keep posting pics in the cockpit section thread. Don’t think there’s a best of which aircraft type. Pilot’s usually were glad to get back home in one piece. it’s impossible to compare aircraft types at any stage in time as mostly the development process is different. Some are more protracted than others.
Hi Tom,
Correct, some things are just like riding a bicycle don’t you think. Even after so many years you still can find you way blindfolded I think. The pilot’s seat is nearly finished so that the whole assembly can be fitted onto the pilot’s chassis. As far as I know the seat back was made from thick aluminium or steel to serve as armour as there was thick layered glass behind your head for protection. I will make it as authentic as I can.
While we are at it, Tom were you at the time aware of the rudder stall difficulty that plagued the Merlin Halifaxes fitted with the triangular rudders? Or was this information kept from the crews to avoid a lowering of morale?
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Cees