Like Peter, I never heard of such a thing as a “destructor box” on Meteor NFs. Surely we aircrew would have been aware if fitted – or even the possibility of them being fitted in certain situations? Very strange!
P.S. I’m slipping! Just checked my old “Pilot’s Notes” for the NF11 and para. 71 says “Provision is made in the front fuselage for the stowage of an aircraft destructor”.
Seems highly unlikely. Some Lincolns were at one time converted to airborne refueling tankers so I suggest you may have seen one with the hose extended with stabilizing wings on the end.
Yes, we used them at FWS Leconfield back in the ’50s. 25′ wingspan, not 30. Made of thin metal. Here’s a photo from my files. Landing them was interesting.;-)
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I’ve just looked at Syerston on Google Earth and does look as if there was at least a taxiway across the Fosse. And yes, there were many airfields within cycling distance. Our house was under the circuit for Newton, so spotting was good.
Was also not far from Hucknall. I once spotted a Wellington with a long cone-like thing at the tail trailing smoke and sounding peculiar. Wrote to the editor of “Spotter” magazine and he replied it was secret. Decades later I realized I had seen airtests of the Whittle jet engine, flying from Hucknall where Rolls Royce was based. History!
Replying to Mahone. No, I’m almost sure it was Winthorpe. As for Syerston, which was closer to my home, I can’t remember any taxiways etc. crossing the Fosse (the adjacent main road).
Don’t know about other airfields, but as young boys during WW2 we used to cycle to several in the Midlands and try to get as close as possible to the runways to watch aircraft landing. I can’t remember any fences, and since we approached via farmland, back lanes, and through fields as unobtrusively as possible we never got caught or warned. At one place near Newark we got so close to the threshold that pilots of the Lancasters landing must have seen us just underneath their wheels before touchdown. At another, Langar, we actually got onto the field and into an aircraft. So at that late point of the war, when the worry about invasion was over, security must have been pretty lax.
I was at CGS during the time that time. I have searched my photo archives and unfortunately don’t have a photo of any Spits but I have a vague recollection they were indeed grey or silver. Like other pilots there, I had my name on list to fly one before they were phased out, but unfortunately my name never got to the top in time. May I ask why you are interested in the CGS (later FWS)?
Thanks for reminding me!
Enjoyed your posting, Peter – it brought back many memories of that era. Checking my logbooks, I see that I was just about two years ahead of you. Went through 228 OCU at Leeming as a pilot and, just like you, later progressed from the Mozzie NF36 to the Meteor NF14. I think we were both lucky to survive the Mozzies as they were getting somewhat clapped out by then and there were many accidents.
I left the RAF in 1957 and emigrated to Canada with no regrets. As you point out, the NF aircraft we flew wouldn’t have been much use if the Russian bombers of that era had actually attacked, so the old WW2 style of training and P.I.s against comparatively slow targets flying straight and level were really a waste of time and we knew it. I didn’t stay on night fighters, and later really enjoyed the Meteor F8 which remained my favourite, particularly for aerobatic displays on Battle of Britain Days, even though I also flew some of he next generation fighters such as the Sabre and Hunter.
Now, I do fly an F16 on my computer’s flight simulator, but that’s all – sigh!
A fascinating read Teekay – I’m surprised no-one else has commented on this…..Flying Vampires & Meteors, would you have been at a disadvantage given (I suspect) the slow to respond early jet engines compared with a piston engined fighter?
Yes, those early jets were indeed slow to respond, but I don’t think it mattered when attacking bombers, although maybe on occasion in a dogfight.
Sorry, don’t have any photos of the Lincolns etc.
When I was a Pilot Attack Instructor (PAI) at the Central Gunnery School (Leconfield) in the early 1950’s they were still training turret gunners in Lincolns using attacking Spitfires as targets.
One day we had a contest. The turret gunnery instructors manned the Lincoln turrets and were attacked by us PAI instructors flying Meteors and Vampires, all using gunsight cameras to record the results. The Lincoln pilots (mainly wartime veterans from Bomber Command) flung the Lincolns all over the sky, corkscrewing and almost doing aerobatics, just as they probably had done in Lancasters in WW2 when desperate. It was an amazing sight.
Afterwards we all watched while the camera films from the turret gunners and fighters were screened. There were no cheers, mainly subdued silence, as results were clear. The turret instructors were almost all wildly off target while the fighter footage showed attack after attack that would clearly have shot down the bombers in real life. I expect the results would have been the same if we had been flying 109s, FW190s or Spitfires instead of jets.
My hat is off to anyone who flew bombers in WW2. I believe they stood little chance against experienced fighter pilots.
Teekay…..I guess we were at the same school – thirty years apart!….
Kings School? Back in the day the place was like a being sent to prison – at age 7! Stone walls, some sadistic masters, and no escape. In the war we slept on mattresses in the lowest corridors, like in bomb shelters. I remember finding shrapnel from AA guns in the yard, and the playing fields had two or three bomb craters that were probably meant for the adjacent rail lines.
I also remember the shock of seeing a German aircraft, I think a recce Heinkel, flying low over the town in broad daylight with no AA fire or fighters chasing it.
The BMARC Wiki entry provides a bit of information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMARC – the ambiguous name didn’t seem to stop the air raids!
Don’t know about BMARC, but I remember at the time of the raids we were told the main target was Ruston & Hornsby Ltd, who made diesel engines in Grantham.
http://www.granthammatters.co.uk/junkers-prop-was-sold-as-junk-552/
……from a Junkers 88 shot down while attacking the British Manufacturing and Research Company facility in Grantham on 27 January 1941……
That brings back memories! I was at boarding school in Grantham when that was shot down. The remains of the aircraft were displayed on a “Queen Mary” trailer in town afterwards and with several other boys I scrambled aboard to see what we could scrounge. I managed to hack off a small piece of flooring (sort of non-skid patterned rubbery stuff) and some jelly-like like material that I believe was from inside a fuel tank. I remember the smell to this day, which for years afterwards I associated with Germans, but unfortunately the items got lost sometime in the last 75 years of moving around. All probably one of the wartime experiences that led me to joining the RAF and becoming a fighter pilot.
I remember Ginger at FWS Leconfield in 1952. At that time he would have been highly amused and amazed to think his helmet would one day sell for £1600. I believe that’s him in the second row, sixth from the left.
I remember Ginger at FWS Leconfield in 1952. At that time he would have been highly amused and amazed to think his helmet would one day sell for £1600. I believe that’s him in the second row, sixth from the left.