Well can you please update regarding the latest test of Abdali, You have updates states for the particular missile.
So the latest test was imporvement on previous parameters, any info regarding CEP? or was it just a political statement. thanks

Surely Pakistan and Afghanistan share a very brotherly relation post soviet invasion and before US led war in Afghanistan.
Before the soviet war the pro communist gov with the help of USSR (former russia) were not very friendly with the Gov of Pakistan and the obvious reason was presence of US base in Pakistan during those times.
Now its the US led gov which claims Pakistan Gov regarding the cross boarder terrorism stance, oh for a moment i thought i was talking about indian gov, oh wait wait yah indeed INDIA in the recent past has establish quite a diplomatic force and personnel presence in Afghanishtan. After all they were the one supporting the Northern Allience.
All this was the Gov – Gov stance. Now lets come to the important issue that is people to people relations. Yes the pakhtoon relation plays very important role. Their are families living between Afghanistan and Pakistan and significant amount of Afghanis who came to Pakistan after war have developed good relations and base to do business from Pakistan. So in the end ill point tht the people to people relation between Pakistan and Afghanistan is much more stronger then the vocal gov announcements made for western and usa media consumption.
Decades of relation on people to people just dont vanish by a change of the Gov. The Gov before was not helping them and the 1 now is not helping them, so for the people nothing changed. I hope some of you would agree with my point.

My Point

What I meant to say is that I’ve never received that information from any Norwegian media. I usually read at least one serious newspaper every day, and I watch some news on TV.

Thanks for bringing to light the very same point i made earlier. You need the media to tell you whats happenings so “MEDIA TELLS YOU WHATS HAPPENING”. sorry to dispoint you guys but the media do not follow fair and total freedom of expression doctrine rather the Partial need to know basis and controled form which mostly results in this response of surprise you ppl show when we point into some FACTS which you thought never existed. Lets put this way those facts were never told to you.
I agree that its not your fault but then please do accept that fact that may be all facts are not exposed to u ppl by ur so called free press.

Okay lets try to figure out all the points one by one.
As far as my point is concerned regarding the actions performed in the Islamic world, then there are many dimensions to it. The killing of innocent is condemned no matter wht the circumstances will be. So reaction is more of frustration towards their own Leaders which fail to give a strong answer in response to all this event. Basic requirements from most of the muslim countries (people) were to ask the Gov of the Denmark to take legal action against the Newspaper. Some countries summend their embassadors back from denmark which add further to the frustrations of the people in the muslim countries where nothing offical was done apart from an official line of condemn which i may add we are use to and means nothing frankly.
So what should the people do, yes some places they peacefully expressed their resentment but all those places are foreign countries like Norway, England, Denmark france etc all are not muslim countries.
Burning of Embassies incase of Libiya which was an ex italian coloney, the incident took place after one of the politition came on camera and showed a T shirt with printed cartoon. It was totally unacceptable so their goes the embassy but only after no action was taken by the representative gov (Libiyan Gov).
Many of the Muslim countries are not living in exact democracies and as a result they have to sometimes use physical measures to ensure their leader do hear them. As most of the time “The Leaders” are least botherd.
My explaination of all this is to give you a feel of what goes in these countries??? You cant exactly expect to take the president in court for something (As was done in USA or can be done in other west countries). So frustration leads to desperation and despration leads to voilance.
As far as the religion in totality is concerned, Well i m afraid if my remarks gave a wrong impression. Every religion is peaceful but some circumstances are pretty much clearly defined and acceptable according to the code of conduct in that religion.
Let me quote an example of Death Penality
In west and some good part of America its considered as not a relevent punishment and efforts are in progress to make changes in law and all togather remove this punishment. In case of my religion its pretty much part of a severe offense and is acceptable by the followers. Here the respect of the religion come. You may not like the idea but if you really claim to respect the religious values of others then you have to respect this aswell.
Similar is the case with respect related to the founders of these religions. My religion forbids me to do these actions against any other religion as it would hurt me if some1 does the same against mine.
So as to speak a clear n passive message but still if some actions are done against the religion which let me add you is not for the first time. In the past when even some of you were not born things have been done and similar reactions have been produced. Ignorance you may call or lack of respect still the practice continues. So one has to wonder y the message is not getting across may b a change of language of expression will get the message across.
Hoping all of this message will be taken in the same spirit i try it to convey.

Religions are matter of imagination, holocaust wasent.

N that is the difference which you will never be able to understand. So u keep on with it peep coz i aint backing either against those who are imagining thingz out of proportion.

pain that nazis gave to jews, slavs, communists, gvypsyes, gays, disables and other minorityes WERE bit MORE realistict, and serious than some hurt religious feelings that muslims mostly inflict upon to themselves…

What was done in that time by Nazi gov, is a fact and is a part of the histry. Now a person today talks about it and denies it (he is as bad as the nazi gov??? Did he physically assulted ny1???? He used is right to express himself???) i leave all that for the wise man to decide? To me if the criteria is to express urself in a non physical way then both r same ( one write a book about it, other used the newspaper to propagate). What does humour has to do with all this?? If the book was placed under the shelf of humor in bookstores would it have changed the fact or the reaction???? I can only wonder.
As per the freedom of expression is regarded i guess the line is blury, pissed or not pissed i aint here to win your support dude??? aint there is nything like freedom of expression??? bear it mate y the fuss.
Its a forum where u seem to be botherd just by talking?? Mate i have all the respect for the religions out there?? i just want the same for mine.

The same original 12 cartoons were published in an Egyptian newspaper in October. No riots or calls for violence then. That only happened after the nice and organized anti-media crusade through the Middle East.
What say you now?

Dear since you have not follow this whole developments closely then let me update you that, the Editor of the Newspaper has been arrested and put in jail along with other members of the newspaper. The editor awaits trial for this action.
As per your thoughts regarding an organized campaign well mate, Jylan is not like one of the most seen newspaper that every body in an instant will know what has happened. Reality check a local newspaper in a small european country with little muslim community. It had to take time. All this hit the main stream when major players in the europe choose to reprint the stuff.
Dont use see an organized scheme in reprinting that stuff again after so many months? yet you see the reaction in the muslim world as organized??? talk about having cloudy vision.
Dear friend under the circumstances you go through, its easy to be baised n persume something for true. All i say is to look it in a nautral way n may be u start to see the plot getting thicker.

Confusion i persume

Now someone who make so called ‘historical’ reaserch to prove that something unecsiting did happen (or this case ‘didn’t’ happen) and same way offending millions of people and their rigths to gain compensation for severe violations of their basics rigths…its noway near same thing as that someone draws a cartoon…a caricature that in west are considered humorous, not political, but humorous.

Man can u just read what your saying? “He cause pain to those who went through it during the world war times”, what about the pain which the muslim world is going as a direct result to the stuff published in newspaper?? OH no this dont give us the right to protest our voice right… Great man just proved what i was saying previously.

we have freedom of speach that means we have also a freedom of press and therefore governments cannot controll (and should not controll) what the press does, Do you as representative of muslims understand this?

Yah right man i understand it now, “Cause us pain, in you go in prison (No right for free speech does not imply here),other way around Oh we didnt wanted to cause pain its humorous you know, nothing serious havnt you heard freedom of expression”

Exactly what do you mean about a “non-physical reply”? What is your honest opinion about murder and attacks on non-Muslim interests versus peaceful, rational and legitimate protests?

Man do you know the punishment for insulting the Prophet (PBUH) either verbally or physically is death without regard if its commited by a Non muslim or even by a muslim. So you can exactly know what i mean by non physical response.

It’s sometimes fair to criticise the media over this. What about cartoons of Jews published in some Arab newspapers? How much criticism do they receive from people in the Muslim world?

Man y cant you grasp this very simple idea that jews drawing muslims, muslims drawing jews is no problem. You can bloody draw me as a devil n i will laugh n point may b the ears are less pointed but the context is all togather different here mate
Does Ny time in History can u claim that Muslim insulted the Prophet of the Jews or Chirstians ??? So who do u think the person (those involved) was comparing with when he insulted our Prophet (PBUH).
A man who acts on this without being provoked can yes certainly be called as ab(user) of the religion, i dont see the case of painting muslims in the same way. A clear n present provocation exists and your closing your eyes n saying man y is the Muslim world acting in this way? We dont care how the west is looking at the reaction and making assumption regarding our behavior when they r so dumb to comprehend the very reason to cause this behavior is a man within their ranks. Yes he (those involved) is only 1 man and yes we only want him simple. Peace with you all, your my mates 😉