If this is the case. the RN is over.
fair enough 🙂 thanks.
i know we’ll never hear about it. But I would love to know how these stack up against the Astutes in simulated war games.
I think thats very impressive, but with all these type of statements/projects only when I see it will I really believe it.
The idea that a 3rd Carrier will be 50k tonnes and operate steam catapults using 4th Generation aircraft is interesting.
I would have thought though that the last thing you really want is to have 2 different class of Carriers operating 3 different class of planes.
I know the USN do it but they dont really count.
the germans are churning out some impressive ships.
If i was to go into the bookies and put £10 on the French using our deployment and trrop stretch as an opportunity to do what they havent been able to do since 1066 then I’m sure I would be getting odds in the region of 20,000,000:1
Expensive enough that some RAF officers think they would rather buy the completely new Tranche 3B than upgrade the current Tranche 1………..
which is why we should offer our tranche 1 planes are a very good price to the japanese who dont only want tranche 1 capabilities.
Lets by 3 of these for the RN – just use them for low level situations – have on in the Carribean with a couple of Helicopters e.t.c
Great for Hurricaen releif e.t.c . Also not bad for Somalia situation – helicopters are key.
Wonderig how much it would cost extra to get these ships up a few more knots.
does any one else thing that for 30mill its a ffing steal?

lets try this 😛
Who’s arguing? :confused: I merely pointed out that LHAs are primarily helicopter carriers first and Harrier carriers second. That’s why they don’t have a ramp. The reason the CVNs don’t have a ramp is it’s deck space you can’t use and when you have catapults you don’t need them anyway.
I think my point was that I wasnt ever talking about LHA’s they have the reason that they take up landing spots for Helicopters.
My point is that with a Ski Jump and I quote obi from another thread
As we are into calculations for takeoffs, I thought this might be of use. I get asked to explain the ski jump regularly, since many seem unable to grasp the point. When you leave the end of the ramp, you will only be at about 80 knots and you aren’t actually flying yet. But you are still accelerating and the ramp has converted some of your forward momentum into vertical thrust so you gain altitude whilst you are accelerating. Before you reach the top of the arc you will have reached true flying speed (about 130knots, and you will be at about 200ft). If there is a problem on takeoff such as engine failure, the pilot will have several extra seconds to decide what to do (eg eject) compared to the flat trajectory of a catapult launch. In the latter case a pilot coming off the end of a catapult with a serious malfunction will be lucky to have two seconds to join the Martin Baker appreciation society. EMALS offers the possibility of combining the two systems, gaining the extra safety of the ski jump and the extra payload of the catapult…;)
Also if the CVN does embark F-35B’s which I think they will due to the fact that as I said before the Marines will only buy this model, they will only be able to take off from the mid point blast deflectors aiming at the deck end of Cat 1 and 2 causing issues. With the ramp they could launch from Cat 1 and 2 positions without using the cats.
Also juding by this picture http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/sp/cv/cvn70_carlvinson.jpg the only thing i can think that you might lose is 2 plane parking spots . and even then only just.
It was just a thought. And even though the Marines will only operate the F-35B the US navy looked at Ski Jumps before, it seems to help in all situations and since emals work on ramps why not do everything you can do to increase efficiency?
For the chap that said the F-35 B is less able than the C I agree but at the moment the marines already operate a less capable plane as sea by using the F/A-18 rather than super hornets
Also sferrin i enjoy most of your posts but dicussion here doesnt mean arguement it means just considering decisions e.t.c
The Marines as standard make up part of the CVN airgroups at the moment they will only buy the F-35B – as stated many places.
The chilian navy is probably one of the best equiped navies in South America.
have to agree with this …..
I always wondered if BAE with all the lessons they have learnt couldnt just take the insides of a eurofighter and fit them in a stealth skin 😛 with an AESA radar.
Im a mute I know but what can you do!