pat1968I believe so but I cannot confirm it one way or another?
pat1968piston power has the right idea. You need to use the knurled part to turn (conventionally) to get it apart.
The issue is that there is a ring that has to engage with the brass post on the knurled section in order to unwind it……hence the need to soak well. I have dismantled approx 40 of these over the years and have only had one post snap _ boy was I annoyed!!). Without the post there is no defined detent for the SAFE/FIRE positions.Ian, if you are around my area, happy to show you. I was thinking of doing a short youtube video on spade grips – doubt there would be the interest.
The earlier buttons were pneumatic with simple IN/OUT tubes. So compressed air went all the way to the gun from the stick. The button just completes the circuit, if you like.
Rocketeer, I cannot speak for everyone but I would be fascinated to see how they are put together. I am sure a great many more forumites would agree!:)
pat1968Difficult one ! If you advertise something as a specific item you are bound in some way to not misrepresent it. If you have a disclaimer I cannot see that it legally
absolves you from the item fitting not that description . How you would stand from Paypal point of view is difficult to say .
This was/is precisely my concern! If the buyer is known to some forum members perhaps someone can mediate and we can resolve this once and for all. As i have said i am more than happy to complete on the deal if i can verify what they are.
pat1968As of now, I cant actually see that the seller has done much wrong.
He hasn’t taken money for the items, and there is no direct evidence that they are in any way faked or mocked up. He took exception to a buyer visiting his property, which I would consider his right to do. That said, I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect someone to want to examine an item before handing over cash. If however, it were paid for, via Paypal, with a credit card, I assume the credit card protections would come into force, as would the ebay buyers charter.
Regardless of what he states, he is obligated under the distance selling regulations, to accept returns if the buyer changes their mind. In all my time selling on ebay, no-one has ever returned anything for that reason!
I quite agree with you. I have no evidence to suggest that these items are fakes and have made that quite clear. I would not normally pick up every item i buy, (although i do from time to time for whatever reason) and i have spent probably £10K plus on ebay over the last few years. Some of which went to you!:cool: My main concern was that the seller has recent negative feedback stating that instruments were fakes and that he would not accept a return. I did/do not want to take the risk that the caveat within the listing will be used as a justification if there are any problems for not allowing me to return the items. the seller is also trying to pass off any paypal costs to the buyer which is against eBay rules as it incourages buyers to pay outside the system. I would certainly consider buying reproduction instruments but i would like to know that in advance but I am still sufficiently concerned to want to verify what they are before i part with my hard earned money.
pat1968Having bought many items off Evil Bay I would have to say that I have seen and bought lots of non authentic items that were advertised. Especially sold as “Spitfire”. However in this case the seller has been quite accurate in describing this item but I would suspect that it may be a reproduction of a high value item and therefore Not fit/suitable for flight or it’s intended use, so apart from not being able to view I cannot find any fault with the seller in this case.
I don’t think saying ‘ no guarantees of originality or authenticity’ absolves anyone of their obligation to describe items accurately? Is it WW1 or does the seller not know? If he is not sure he should state that in the title and description. Lots of people make fake jeans and sell them.as fakes they still get arrested! If there is no guarantees why does the title say that it is ‘ww1’ ? Also trying to make the buyer pay eBay fees is against eBay rules.
pat1968From the Evilbay add
“SOLD AS A COLLECTABLE DISPLAY ITEM ONLY, WITH NO GUARANTEE’S OF POTENTIAL AIRWORTHINESS, COMPLETENESS OR ORIGINALITY.”
So whats the point of buying it then?
Add title = “MK IVa AIRSPEED INDICATOR WW1”
reason for bidding = I would like to buy “MK IVa AIRSPEED INDICATOR WW1”
Fairly self explanitory!:eagerness:
pat1968Knowing Bob (Sopwith.7f1) I must say I am somewhat offended at the post by pat1968. I thought that this Forum was for the edification and exchange of information by fellow enthusiasts, not a platform for slagging off other Forum users. Lets keep it a bit more professional and a little less personal shall we ??
Why are you offended? I haven’t been ‘slagging off’ anybody I have said quite clearly that these instruments maybe legitimate? I remain fully prepared to buy them if i can see them first or they can be viewed by someone who can verify that they are what they are purported to be. I do not see that as unreasonable in the circumstances? I do not actually know who the seller is, i was (and still remain) concerned about spending a considerable sum of money on something that may turn out not to be ‘authentic or original’ with no means of returning them. The Seller has negative feedback indicating that instruments he has sold in the past are not as described. These are facts not supposition, I have been very careful not to cast aspersions or accusations, I have just reported my experience and advised people to be careful. I have been reasonable, courteous and polite at all times. I have made every effort to help resolve the situation and i have not descended to throwing insults as Sopwith.7f1 has. I would be very interested to know what in any of that is offending you?
I will repeat that i am more than willing to complete on the deal, the listing did not say that i could not pick the items up (the new listing does) and i am less than convinced by the explanation of why I cannot. Please feel free to intervene and help the seller out if he is a friend of yours. Maybe you could meet up with me and i can verify that they are legitimate? If that takes place I will be more than happy to post a retraction and give him positive feedback.
Best wishes Pat
pat1968what about the damage inflicted on the Luftwaffe in the battle of France? Apart from a handful of armed PR spitfires the vast majority of the RAF kills were made by Hurricanes. Far more German aircraft were destroyed in the battle of France than the battle of Britain. That never seems to be discussed when talking about the BoB. Not to mention all the damage Bomber Command inflicted on the Germans during the BoB. There never seems to be a balanced holistic view of the BoB. Just subjective raving about the spitfire being a legend. It’s a bit like saying the longbow beat beat the french at Agincourt! People won the BoB, they are the legends not the aircraft however pretty they are!
pat1968I think L59 is 3103. Not easy to come by round Cardiff/Bridgend.
Anyone can make a shape out of metal with a hammer. What I need to learn is how to make the RIGHT shape. :o)
You need to find someone who has access to something called ihs edsu materials data handbook it will give a modern equivalent material for obsolete specifications. I will try to find out what the nearest equivalents are.
pat1968Hi Cardiffrob, you are really on the wrong forum, i am sure there are a few panel beaters on the forum but if you want to learn about sheet metalwork you need to go to http://www.allmetalshaping.com/ they have an aircraft section and you will get plenty of help and advice. You may even be able to find someone in your area who can help. in the mean time have a look at lazzemetalshaping on youtube. If you can shape steel you can shape aluminium it gives a lot more so has a different feel but the principles are the same. Best wishes Pat
pat1968Care to refresh us Andy ?
In a nutshell because the British Government refused to allow the recovery and actively went out of their way to prevent it. Much to the disgust of many people. Apparently giving this poor pilot the chance of decent burial does not fit with our governments policies. Andy has written on the subject numerous times i believe. In one of his fantastic books, Finding the fallen, read it it is a real education! Also in the series Finding the few and finding the foe.
pat1968That is a great looking aircraft. What engine and prop does it have? What was the cruise speed during testing? I believe the original was a pretty fast aeroplane for the time wiping the floor with all of the military aircraft of the time. Great achievement! Well done to all involved!
pat1968do you mean VGS? i.e. vickers general spares if so PM me with what you are looking for
pat1968Not least of all, we had an alliance with Poland which effectively guaranteed that we would attempt to resore the Polish independence.
Which we (Churchill) then quietly forgot about to appease Stalin! Bloody disgrace!
pat1968I am amazed that this is serious question! Because the Nazis could not be trusted and an invasion at some point was inevitable. I don’t think there was a serious truce tabled. Any more than the end of the the war was a truce. It was complete surrender and that is what the Nazis would have expected. Just like they did in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Belgium France etc. You don’t need to be a genius to realise what the consequences of not fighting would be.
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