If someone has handy access to SE5 File by R. Sturtivant and G. Page, (Air Britain, 1996) and can see what it says about serial SE5a F9070 – you may get a date for the incident at Hopwood
Tim, prehaps on day in question you can confirm that you were carrying a sack of coal in rear of aircraft to provide heat for stove in mess on arriving back at base.
Hurricane P3404 -Crashed near Exeter
It was a collision but not know other Hurricane serial
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-33764.html
“Hurricane P3404, P/O D.T. Jay killed, mid-air collision during routine patrol, crashed and burned out, P/O Jay baled out but believed to have hit the tailplane as he did not pull his ripcord.”
Anne
You need to go on Mastermind with propellars as your specialist subject, however, though popular here… I can see tv’s being switched over to other sides all over Britain now….
Paul
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/lhcma/locreg/WILSON.shtml
Anyway accident happened before 1934 as , Bevil Thomson WILSON served as Commanding officer Sudan Defence Force until 1933 and it happened after 1930 as he visited Mega Oasis in 1930
One possiblity is that COULD be Fairey IIIF J9140 of 47 Sqn lost on Ground Incident July 1931 – But I have a feeling he photo could have been taken on his visit to Merga Oassis in 1930
BTW
FLIGHT, FEBRUARY 15, 1934 indicates it is a Gordon – But that had a Armstrong Siddeley Panther engine – not a Lion -However, it does give an indication of date of the loss!
No- 47 (Bomber) Squadron in the Sudan
COL. B. T. WILSON, D.S.O., read a very interesting
paper on ” The Sudan of To-day ” before the Royal United
Service Institution on Wednesday, February 7. Speaking
of the work of No. 47 (Bomber) Squadron, he said that its
” Gordons ” were so useful that it would be exceedingly
awkward for the administration to do without them. He
said, however, that experience had shown that air action
was more certain and more humane when used in conjunction
with ground troops than when used independently.
Since the appointment of Marshal Balbo as
Governor of Tripoli, the Italians had raised the question of
the boundary between Tripoli and the Sudan, and had
laid claim to Merga oasis, which the lecturer said was
about 200 miles on the Sudanese side of the frontier. The
landing ground at the oasis was a very bad one, and he
showed a slide of an unfortunate ” Gordon ” which had
tried to level it out while landing, and had stood on its
nose. It had to be burnt, and if the Italians ever get
there they will find its remains. He thought that possibly
the Italians want to fly from Tripoli to their colony of
Eritrea (Somaliland) without landing on Sudanese territory.
The lecturer also mentioned the growth of civil flying
in the Sudan and believed that last year some 400 civil
aeroplanes had landed at Wadi Haifa.
Update
David Earl tells me that Saugstad RAFC was not aboard the Wellington, he was killed in Mitchell FR148 when the aircraft went missing on a ferry flight from Gander 23/2/43.
Paul
re: Crew LA995
On RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL for 23/2/1943
Flt Sgt VINCENT HAROLD KNUTSON RCAF R/98799
Sgt WILLIAM DAY RAFVR 1378796
Radio Officer CLIFFORD DONALD SAUGSTAD Royal Air Force Ferry Command
Sgt RALPH SPENCER RAFVR 1215504
Sgt GEORGE BOWMAN STEWART RAFVR 1332286
Sgt GEORGE WILFRED TURLEY RAFVR 1204149
http://www.rafastornoway.org.uk/5.html also provides the following (did a body come ashore)
23/2/1943 MANOR PARK CEMETERY
Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.) WILLIAM VICTOR CHARLES ALSTON RAFVR 1267971
Note SAUGSTAD is missing from the RAF Stornoway list (possibly because not he was not RAF)
The help of RAFCommands is acknowledged on this
Wellington is possibly LA995 of 303 Ferry Training Unit
The other units were
Sunderland ML858 of 302 Ferry Training Unit
Beaufighter LX798 of 304 Ferry Training Unit
Wellington is possibly LA995 lost 23rd February 1943 not 28th September 1943 (see don’t believe all you read on Wiki)
http://www.carlscam.com/strays/stkilda.htm
Could be one of three.
Beaufighter LX798
Sunderland ML858
Unidentified aircraft, possibly Wellington.Come on Paul, I bet you can tell us what the third aircraft is….?
Bruce
I am working on it!!!!
According to Wiki (if you can trust the source) the aircraft is either:
Beaufighter LX798 crashed into Conachair night of 3-4 June 1943
Sunderland which crashed at Gleann Mor on 7 June 1944
Wellington bomber crashed on the south coast of Soay during 1943 (possibly the one lost 28 September 1943)
Can anyone offer up serials for teh Sundderland and possible Wellington (which I had already from a non Wiki Source)
Paul
And will be available on iplayer for 7 days afterwards for any who miss setting their recorders or are watching the football!
Habe you noticed Clarkson is in the ‘xtra large’ Bubble Canopy that is on rear of MJ627
I had wondered if he would have fitted in the other 2!
Is there not a DH6 book though? Published by Air Britain? That may be an easier way into it.
Nope Air Britain book only covers DH4 and DH9