some excerpts from excerpts of yefim gordon book on Mig29 ….
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Question : Which is the company that makes these IR sensors ? BAe by an chance (i’ve heard many say so) ?:confused:
Can anybody tell me why some on this board consider an airplane with more MFD’s to be more “advanced” than another with fewer MFD’s ? :confused:
… so the JF-17 would be more “advanced” than a rafale ? :rolleyes: 😮
P.S : some comments on german scientists, entrepreneurial chinese dispora made earlier on this thread just crack me up 😀
[u]India, Germany to sign joint defence agreement[/u]
New Delhi: India and Germany will be signing their first-ever joint defence cooperation agreement to provide for transfer of German hi-tech weapons technology and broader interaction between the armed forces of the two countries.
“The agreement would open doors of German technology transfer to India and provide the framework for holding joint naval exercises and more interaction between the
armed forces of the two countries,” a defence ministry spokesman said in the capital.…
Mukherjee will also pay homage at the Zehrensdorf Indian cemetery where the graves of 206 Indian soldiers who died as prisoners during the first World War lie.
He will hold wide-ranging talks with his French counterpart Michele Aliottee and also have an interactive round table with the Chief Excutives of the French Defence – related industries, including the European consortium EADS, Thales and Aviation giant Dassault.
The visit to Paris comes against the backdrop of anxiety in French armament industry – India’s third largest weapons supplier – over the future of strategic tie-ups.
India and France have a robust tie-up in the field of supply and production of defence-related equipment and the two countries have set-up a high level high committee to oversee hi-tech weapons technology transfer and strategic ties.
France, which did not impose sanctions against India, post-Pokhran Nuclear tests, is wary of India’s growing tie-up with the US fearing it might affect the supply of its military equipment to India.
http://content.msn.co.in/News/National/NewsPTI_020906_427.htm
An interesting note from a link posted above :
. Technical problems like the multi-mode radar (MMR) to be fitted on the LCA’s nose cone, could force our scientists to consider a similar radar from other countries like the Elta from the Israeli Aircraft Industries or the AN/APG-67 from Lockheed Martin, as per the Electronic Radar and Detection Establishment (LRDE) scientists.
India bought the Sea Harrier FRS.51 in the early ’80’s to replace the hopelessly out of date Hawker Sea Hawk, in view of the size of their carriers there were only two aircraft that were viable replacements, these were the Sea Harrier and the Yak-38 naval fighter and, incredibly, the Russian plane was India’s first choice. !!!!!!
I am told that it was reported in ‘Flight’ magazine that when top level contact was made between the Russian and Indian cheifs of staff regarding a purchase the Indian delegation were told that “The Yak 38 is more experimental than anything and has many problems, if I were you I’d go and buy the Sea Harrier.“. 😀 😀 😀 😀
P.S : Many say, that a similar thing happened prior to India selecting the Hawk as its preferred Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT), with the Mig-AT being the first choice ( fears of leverage of US sanctions over deals with Britian was the concern this time )
Well, the new carrier is called ADS, as in Air Defence Ship. So i guess its role is self explainatory. 🙂
Hey, i found this note : [u]Singapore as early as 1990 had signed defence MOUs with India’s DRDO and wanted to take part in the programme’s multi-mode radar, with a long term clause to produce some equipment at their Singapore Aerospace[/u]
Could anyone substantiate on this ?
Also here is some more info on the first LCA – the technology demonstrator TD1 and the large number of foreign components that were in it :
The foreign inputs of consultancy came from Dassault for the definition, Onera for wind tunnel testing, GEC-Marconi Avionics for the multimode radar, Dowty for the FADEC and Snecma for the indigenous Kaveri engine which is under testing. The engines were from GE, which supplied 10 F- 404 GE F 2J 3 Turbofan engines. Lockheed supplied the fly-by-wire system, Moog the flight control logic systems, Souriou the wiring connectors and Honeywell the H423L ring laser gyro based internal navigation system. However, US sanctions hit the programme and Indian scientists resorted to self-help to complete the FCS which has computer logic and language comparable to Mistd 1521 and 267a standards.
A Belgian firm supplied the actuators. For the prototype Sextant Avionique has provided the multi-function cockpit displays and standby horizon and head-up displays. The plane has the K-36D ejection seat. The weapon and EW fits will see help from the Russian Rosvoorouzhenie now called Rosoboronprom for the 30mm cannon, Dassault Electronique for the EW -21 radar warning receiver and Alkan for Chaff/flare counter-measures.
Thankfully now, most of it is replaced with indigenous content, but can anyone confirm what laser ring gyros the PV-2 uses ? Are the French Sagem stuff or are they the state of the art indigenous prisim based LRG’s that RCI was working on ??
What more interms of avionics does the N-LCA bring to the table when compared to the LCA?? What is the payload , Bring back capability , range etc etc .?

The aircraft is designed to have additional aerodynamic surfaces for improved aircraft carrier landing performance, nose droop for improved cockpit vision during landing approach, wing leading edge vortexes -LEVCON’s to increase lift during approach (this is yet to be confirmed – the folks are dilly dallying on this), arrestor hook, a strengthened spine, a longer and stronger undercarriage and the nose wheel steering will be powered for deck manoeuvrability. Canards will be included at the front, and these will be extended for landing, in order to reduce speed faster for carrier operations.
The aircraft will have a wing span of 8.2 metres, a length of 13.2 metres and a height of 4.65 metres. Launch speed over a 12º ramp is 100 knots and recovery speed during a no-flare deck landing using arrester gear is 120 knots. Aircraft carrier take-off mass is projected to be at 12,300 kg and aircraft carrier maximum landing mass is projected to be at 9100 kg.
and its HUD is said to better than the regular LCA’s :
Central Scientific Instrument Organisatrion (CSIO) is galloping towards the completion of a new smaller, light-weight, Head-Up-Display (HUD) for trainer and naval aircraft.
CSIO Director Dr Pawan Kapoor says this version of HUD will be far superior to the one they designed for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) earlier. HUD is vital for the pilot, for it superimposes the flight data in front of the pilot who relies on it for navigation, landing as well as combat manoeuvres. Developed in 1994, its application started four years years ago. Now being used in Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas) PV series, it’s done around 100 flights so far.
‘‘A remarkable feature of the new HUD is the dynamic Stand-By-Sight (SBS)’’, says CSIO scientist Vipan Kumar. This means if the aircraft computers fail during the flight, or don’t send any electrical information to the HUD, the pilot can switch over to SBS feature through a switch provided on the front panel of HUD. SBS will then help the pilot in navigation and landing.
The advanced HUD will also have Raster feature to make it easier for the pilot to fly in the night when he can’t see the outside view.
In Raster mode, an infra-red camera (FLIR) senses the thermal image of the outside world and converts it into CCIR Std Video signal. This video information comes to HUD which displays it on a dynamic big theatre screen.
This means any object flying/lying within the range of the FLIR camera can be seen by the pilot like a video image on TV or theatre screen. In this mode, the pilot can also request the computer to dump any critical information required by him on HUD.
http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=157001
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Answering a question on modernisation, he said the Navy had invested about Rs 300 crore in the Naval Version of Tejas, which is under development at Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) in the city.
“[u]The Naval LCA is expected to join the fleet by 2011. [/u]Once it receives certification, [i][u]it will fly from both the aircraft carriers[/u][/i]”.
Not to mention its radar would be better optimised for Air-to-Sea roles than the normal LCA.
Here is some info on the MCA that came out in Nov, 2005:
Work on the indegenous stealth fighter gets underway
BANGALORE: The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), the aircraft design house of the Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) in Bangalore has formed a core team to design a medium combat aircraft (MCA), an advanced multi-role fighter with stealth capabilities.
Besides incorporating many features of the indigenous single-engine Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) that is undergoing flight trials, the MCA will use radar-absorbent materials to reduce detection by radars, making it a stealth fighter.
The new generation fighter is expected to replace the Jaguar and the Mirage-2000 fleet of the Indian Air Force in the coming decades. “The design work is getting ready. It should be completed in a year,” DRDO sources told DNA.
The advanced aircraft will be build with extensive use of composites and have smart sensors like micro electronic mechanical systems (Mems), that can automatically detect strains or weaknesses in the airframe or wings. “The IAF is giving a lot of inputs for the design,” sources said.
Once the design is frozen, the DRDO would present the project to the government for sanction of the MCA project estimated to cost about Rs 6000 to Rs 8000 crore. The MCA will be a 12 tonne weight class fighter with a maximum take-off weight of about 18 tonnes.
It is to be powered by two “thrust vector’’ engines that facilitate controlling the flight by controlling its thrust, giving the pilot greater manoeuvrability.
But there are snags in developing Kaveri, the indigenous engine that will be used for the LCA and upgraded for the MCA. [u]The DRDO has invited bids from global engine makers to participate in building the engine. [/u]
“The stealth features and engine are two areas that we are weak. We will bridge this gap,” sources said.
Many systems and technologies developed in India for the LCA, Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) and the Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) like the flight control systems and composite wings will be used in the MCA.
[u]“It will take about six to eight years for the first aircraft to be developed,” sources said.[/u]
New pics of the proposed MCA

^^evolved from the LCA


From the new article ( http://www.indianexpress.com/story/9900.html )it appears as if the MCA and PAK-FA are both on :confused: …perhaps the MCA is F-35 class and PAK-FA is F-22 class :confused: (and future Su-30MKI replacement :confused: )
The “six to eight” years for the MCA’s development seems no more than classical DRDO/HAL dreaming IMHO. Its a far cry considering that the LCA, (leave alone the MCA) is yet to enter service. The Defence Minister can say all he wants about the lessons learned during the LCA programme, and making use of them for the MCA story, but 6 to 8 years …. :rolleyes:
So is the NLCA going to supplement or replace the MiG-29K?
The N-LCA is intnended to operate on the ADS carrier, while the Mig-29K on the INS Vikramadithya.
While the latter is likely to be operational from next year or so, 2010+ (never trust dates that HAL&cohorts give you) would be a reasonable date for the N-LCA + ADS combination.
So, it would most surely supplement the Mig’s rather than replace them.
so, by how many years will this new contraption be off schedule ?
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Nope, the E-2D will be more advanced than the hawkeye 2000.
The E-2D is nicked the “next generation hawkeye” and is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2007.
Northrop Grumman and the US Navy are working on exportability of the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, as India and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) move towards airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) competitions. “We are working the process,” says Capt Tom Carrell, E-2 foreign military sales integrated product team leader.
The Indian navy has yet to reach the stage of a formal RFP for a land-based AEW&C capability, but dialogue is under way, Northrop says.
Featuring a new radar with improved overland and littoral performance, the developmental E-2D is set to fly next year. The new aircraft will enter service in 2012 and would normally be available for export around the same time.