While we’re waiting…
Here’s a photo i took very recently:

I’ve read this thread with interest… and, if you chappies from ‘Over ‘Ome will entertain a few thoughts from the “Colonies”, I’ll weigh in, as follows:
1. I too, was at one time, an “absolute authenticity” type. HOWEVER, my years in the industry have made me acutely aware of the costs of operating a flying aircraft of Second World War vintage – flat (or matte, to you in the UK) finishes induce drag – and with fuel costs, even in an exporting nation, here – (100 LL costs approximately $2.00/litre ) a semi-gloss, or outright GLOSS finish is much the more practical route to go – our Mission is to show our flying heritage to as many folk as possible, is it not?
2. Well-executed vinyl transfers are extremely colour-accurate, these days – witness ANY of our Vintage Wings of Canada aircraft – plus, they give one the opportunity to change a scheme, for special events/ commemorations.
3. The “static” folk can be as AR as they choose – those are museum pieces/historic archives – what WE do in the “flying” world, is provide a safe, reliable (GRIN) platform to give the public a total experience of historic aircraft.
4. It’s very easy to criticize the choices of folk who spend LITERALLY millions of dollars/Sterling/Euro on their aircraft, when one isn’t paying the fuel and maintenance costs. Yeah, I’m not thrilled with some “Texas camouflage” jobs – but in the end, they FLY, damnit!
/rant
Jim
I’ve read this thread with interest… and, if you chappies from ‘Over ‘Ome will entertain a few thoughts from the “Colonies”, I’ll weigh in, as follows:
1. I too, was at one time, an “absolute authenticity” type. HOWEVER, my years in the industry have made me acutely aware of the costs of operating a flying aircraft of Second World War vintage – flat (or matte, to you in the UK) finishes induce drag – and with fuel costs, even in an exporting nation, here – (100 LL costs approximately $2.00/litre ) a semi-gloss, or outright GLOSS finish is much the more practical route to go – our Mission is to show our flying heritage to as many folk as possible, is it not?
2. Well-executed vinyl transfers are extremely colour-accurate, these days – witness ANY of our Vintage Wings of Canada aircraft – plus, they give one the opportunity to change a scheme, for special events/ commemorations.
3. The “static” folk can be as AR as they choose – those are museum pieces/historic archives – what WE do in the “flying” world, is provide a safe, reliable (GRIN) platform to give the public a total experience of historic aircraft.
4. It’s very easy to criticize the choices of folk who spend LITERALLY millions of dollars/Sterling/Euro on their aircraft, when one isn’t paying the fuel and maintenance costs. Yeah, I’m not thrilled with some “Texas camouflage” jobs – but in the end, they FLY, damnit!
/rant
Jim
Oh, Pagey…
Oh, Pagey…
A few points;
Firstly; as has been mentioned by ‘Firebex’, the CAA arent dragons, and are not there to stop projects being built; they are there to ensure they are done properly, and safely.
Exactly. Whether it’s the CAA, Transport Canada, or FAA – doing one’s “due diligence” and KEEPING RECORDS from any Project’s inception will make all the difference.
Glynn took 25 years because he was doing it on his own, as he could afford it, and as he had time. When KA114 came along, it all changed. He is now concentrating his efforts on his own aircraft, as he always intended to do, and Avspecs have their own guy doing woodwork on the next project. With the right money and people, it could be done quicker.
I have been involved with two significant Preservation organizations – and I can assure y’all that the “Volunteers only” model is fraught with way more hassles than having a committed source of funding, and a high degree of professional input. If we want “Flyers” then we need “Champions/Owners” with DEEEP pockets, on anything much bigger than a Tiger, or Harvard.
A semi serious thought… Are there any in freshwater lakes? That could provide many of the parts, but no wood…..
Bruce
OOOO, let’s start a rumour! Have I got a Boreal Forest for YOU, Matey! :diablo:
Hi Canuck – Victoria one was due to fly in 2010 but has slowed down; but plenty of info on their website. Lucky for you plans are to keep her in Canada!
The Windsor has made slow, slow & slow progress!
Thanks very much for the news. The last pictures I was able to find are from last winter… but I’ll re-check the Windsor site.
Since both aircraft are Downsview-built examples, I suspect that even IF someone with mega-bucks offshore tried to buy them, the current restorers/owners wouldn’t be allowed to export either of them.
Our Mossies, like our Lancs, are very much considered “Cultural Property” – given that they both represented major events in our Industry’s development – quite apart from honouring the exploits of RCAF aircrew Overseas!
As a side note… is anyone in possession of updates on the Victoria and Windsor Mosquito projects?
Forgive my ignorance here, but I’m assuming these are both to be “Flyers” ?
It does look like it – but the identification I have is of a different machine, and I don’t know of any relation to Canada.
Oh, it’s in Canada… I’ve seen the pic before , somewhere… and it’s definitely a “Charlie Fox” registration, beneath the wing.
Canadian Fairchild 71, I believe.
Merry Christmas, All!
( I HAD “Super” 71… but I was mistook, eh?) 🙂
SCRATCH that! It’s a Super Universal… jeez dunno my own aviation heritage.
Yeah, Steve is correct… RL202 is as dead as all the rest of those lovely white birds.
The one in Downsview may be “out in the cold” soon, too, unless the Museum, the Government and the Developers come to some sort of agreement.
Try this:
It looks quite accurate, on the Marks, especially.
We don’t need several threads doing the same thing.
But look at these posts, this thread has become a de facto private domain of a half dozen people. I’m just rying to open it up.I’m sorry to have intruded on your private domain.:rolleyes:
Not my private domain… nor anyone else’s, dude. :rolleyes: yerself
Ditto, to our Anglo-french correspondent.
If you notice, Mr. Boyle – the time period twixt posts can be as much as 2 days… we all check it, I’m guessing, but unless there’s something to add, or TIME from RL to research, and modify a photo… it lies fallow for a bit.
As a relative “newb” to the thread, I’m fine with the format – MY “anorak” fits just fine, as Winter is indeed here in The Great White North. :diablo: