First of all… I agree with both gents.
There were indeed some Canadians that made (pots of) money out of the war – I cannot think of specific names, other than the Masseys. However, much of the profit in those days went “Over ‘ome” and South – e.g. GM, Ford & DH Canada.
My point was really to empathise with those in the workers’ households that suffered – as I indicated, my Mum’s house was pretty near the bombing on more than one occasion.
Yes, indeed about suing for peace. Thank Goodness HM King George had replaced his brother, and that the Queen Mum really WAS the “most dangerous woman in Britain”, eh?
Dumb question, here. Are we to be forever “America” in the English psyche?
I’m enjoying thoroughly this discussion, particularly the back & forth amongst we “Colonials” and the folk in the UK.
All of us in the “Dominions” (which have been self-governing for over a century), funneled huge amounts of resources (human, natural & mechanical) towards the “Mother” country from September ’39 onwards. The Aussies and Kiwis had their own fish to fry after December ’41 – but the dark blue was still quite evident upon RAF bases in NW and S. Europe until VE Day.
My point is this – yes, the populace suffered… my Mum tells me of the raids on Leith, etc., coming up The Forth in force, and running to their corrugated iron shelter in the back garden. If there was labour unrest, I’m certain some was justified – Messrs. Austin & Morris definitely did well supplying the RAF with aircraft and “bits”, after all.
There was a lot of resentment at the pay our fellas in the RCAF got compared to the RAF o/r’s – and Class anger in the UK was pretty much deserved by the “bosses”, both civvy & military, in my view.
The difference between we Canucks, Aussies, Kiwis, etc. and the Yanks – is that we never really rubbed your noses in the fact that we WERE bailing you out. It was our duty and our pleasure to do so.
And lest you think I’m looking for you to recognise our contribution, I could give a rat’s…
6 Group sacrificed enough, as did the lads at Dieppe, Ortona and Beny-sur-Mer. If you don’t know who they were, that’s your loss, not mine.
I won’t even bother with the North Atlantic…
Here’s a shot of SL721 taken on Sept. 10, this year.

And one I took many years ago at Mount Hope – WAY prior to CWH years.

Question, AA… was the Mamba the Gannet engine?
Thanks, Andy!
You truly have a gem there, in that she (9048) was an operational aircraft, with BOTH Eastern & Western Air Command. Wonderfully accurate bio, on the Filton site.
We (VWoC) have a Mercury running from our hangar upon a Nation Steel Car-built Lysander, so the “Empire”-era industry here, is well-represented in the air.
Now if they’d only send the bloody Pegasus back to us… :dev2:
This is wonderful to see. I was involved in the early stages of the Mk. IV-T at the CWH, here in Canada.
Literally container-loads of parts were sent to the UK, only to see them become “Blenheims”, and then crash detritus.
Bravo for the Bristol Aero folk for preserving 9048 as a BCATP “Boly”.
I’m in agreement on the obscurity… some of us are involved in aviation events regularly, and our jobs, so online time is limited… and, in truth, have learned not even to try to compete with such erudition such as Mr. Aeroclub enjoys.
e.g. the Boeing – reminded me a great deal of Curtiss designs – but an amalgm of F9C , Seamew & SOC it was not!
The French stuff from the Thirties intrigues me – in that I’ve learned not all of their stuff was as hideous as Amiot & Voisin bombers.
You folk who have the time, please continue… I enjoy this thread thoroughly, even though I choose not to participate any longer.
The location of this lake was in the middle of a military zone, and the western concept of ready access did not apply. There were many examples of this, including the swastika wood near Berlin which was not discovered until freer times after re-unification.
One engine had been salvaged from the lake in NVA times by a military team, but the normal sensitivity and media interest applied to such sites nowadays was unthinkable in the DDR.
Even when I was last at Peenmunde in 94 access to the whole site was restricted by the evocation of unexploded ordnance, despite the NVA range only occupying the northern tip. Things may have changed since.
Funnily enough, the Sea Hunters program was just re-run here this past week. Access to all of the peninsula appears to have been granted. The Peenemunde airbase seems to be pretty much a relic, now, with a museum being the largest tenant… any comments from our german brethren?
James
Don’t worry. We are not allowed to be English, anyway. Scottish, Welsh, Irish or Welsh, thats fine….but NEVER English. Perish the thought. And there I was thinking I was English because I was born in that country formerly known as England. Even my passport says I am from Great Britain and a member of the European Union. I think England is a little-known province of Greater Europe. 😀
Well, Andy… you may be English when people south of The Borders quit calling me a Yank. :diablo:
Conversely, in my experience, most Scots actually know the difference twixt Americans and we folk who still carry H.M. upon our currency, eh?
By the bye, the article and “teaser” photos look marvellous, mate! 😎
How about a Great Lakes?
I’d say Elsie’s “Maple Leaf”, but I think IT was cowled.
We will be happy to…
Flight remaining 2009
Completing Fort Vermilion Mercy Flight (80th Anniversary) March 2009
1st Western Canadian Commercial Flight (90th Anniversary) June 2009
Back to Baddeck leg to Cold Lake June 2009
1st aircraft use in a police pursuit (90th Anniversary) August 2009We will also be doing a number of the Western Canadian airshows and other events.
Keep you posted
Tom H
Awesome that you’re re-creating Wop, Punch & Co.’s exploits. 😎
The Silver Dart may have flown in Baddeck, but Western Canada and The Territories REALLY confirmed canada as an aviation pioneer.
Stormbird262 wrote ” That’s blooody friggin cold , we get nothing that cold down ere in Oz! ”
The winter cold here goes way beyond ” friggin. “
Amen.
Mind you, as awful as a Prairie Winter IS, we can dress for it. Those 40+ temps “Down Under” would kill me. 😮
Fort MacMoney ain’t my idea of a fun Winter, though… I prefer the Ottawa Valley today… Alberta Blue sky, and all!
Buffalos didn’t have folding wings…. like the early wildcats.
Cheers,
Richard
Ahhh… That makes sense… Thank you.
One would have to then use engine with more power than R-1820-G5 since Humu was calculated for Shvetsov M-63 (1100 hp). Finns couldn’t get that from the engines they got so the test flights were disappointments when comparing the speeds but if my memory serves me correctly the flight abilities were almost the same or even better in some fields.
Did VL remove the folding mechanisms from the (original) Finnish Brewster wings? Or am I getting mods to aircraft mixed up with the Fokkers built there?
For the third time tonight…wow! So great to see BW372 back in Finland, where the little Buffalo, so maligned everywhere else, was such a success story.
Those two replicas are cool too, but I assume they are basically fullscale models?
Now there’s an interesting idea: It’d be quite possible, as has been suggested quite a few times, to reverse-engineer newbuild F2As/B239s/B339s using BW372 as a pattern…but…what about doing the same with the near-identical Humu, instead? IIRC it had wooden wings, surely more easily built for a replica project; and from the outside, it’s still pure Brewster…
I can think of at least one collector here in Canada for whom such an aircraft would be a very apt addition. As MK959 said…any takers?
S.
I, too am pleased to see BW372 in Tikkakoski. Pensacola owns so much, and with that Act of Congress… Oh, well, they do a beautiful job of preservation.
And WHO would want a Brewster here? That’d be about as sensible as having an A-26 in Armee de l’Air colours, eh? 😉