read the history, just because they didnt go into the project together doesnt mean they are Idiots, look at the Rafale it is already flying with several versions deployed or about to be deployed.

cunning yes, idiots ?? idiots are the people who are still waiting for the EFA

Yes, the politicians that let a common european fighter fail were idiots. I bet that a fighter that would have had the budget of EF + Rafale (or only 75%) of it would ne much further developed today, that either of the two.

his “I did it my way” policy does only mean that both manufactures will try to sell an outdated plane, ones it reaches full OIC. Now it has to compete with the F-35 and Pak-Fa which both will be superior. Would a “Raphoon” have entered the market in say 1990 however ….

Seahawk,
Something Americans (including Canadians in this…) evidently find quite difficult to grasp is that Europe is actually not one country. Even the EU is essentially a very loose confederation of states with their own interests and own military and economic needs. Anyway, you have to give credit to France for proving that it can be done without the Germans :diablo: .

For me Germany does not even need a new fighter. 72 Makos is all Germany needs for defence. Enough for advanced training and air plocing roles.

I am the only one with new models? :confused:

A380-800 “Weihnachten” (fiction)
A330-200 Austrian new livery
An-124 Roast Flight

the A380 is only….big.

We jsut posted at the same time. Mine are on the page before.

http://www.seahawkgfx.de/Aircraft/other/otherpics/CF18_1024.jpg
http://www.seahawkgfx.de/Aircraft/other/otherpics/EF18_1024.jpg
http://www.seahawkgfx.de/Aircraft/other/otherpics/Twenthe2003/CAF_f18_1024.jpg
http://www.seahawkgfx.de/Aircraft/other/otherpics/Twenthe2003/Swissf18_1024.jpg

Seat design is important but can only absorb the crash energy in the vertical axis, so if the helicopter doesn’t crash on the level the seat won’t do much good. Also without airbags the airframe has to absorb all the crash energy which will probably result in the crew getting crushed or trapped as happens in car accidents.

See the airbag pics here
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products/brochures/REAPS.pdf

Crashworthy seat info here
http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/crashw_Intro.htm

A that should be no problem, if you add a safety cell around the crew. With todays modern composties you could add such a cell with ease. I mean if modern formual 1 cars can offer enough protection for the crashes at 300 km/h, then it should be ablte to give a helicopter a similiar crash safety.

The most sensible solution is a better seat design. It does not matter if you wreck the helicopter in the crash, it matters that the crew survives. So you woant adsopring structure, airbags and special seats that deform to keep the nergy away from the passenger.