hmm ASW screen is mostly provided by the Udaloys, also,the Kirovs themselves have a VDS and bowmounted sonar and of course three helicopters of which two are dedicated ASW helos. It’s ten torpedo tubes also allow it to use SS-N-15 and SS-N-16 anti-sub rocket-torpedoes and of course regular 533mm torps.
You know that having 2 such taskforces is more then 90% of the world navies could ever afford and do operate ??
For me the most advanced SSM is the missile that can do the job, be it a frigate, corvette or carrier. A Harpoon or NSM can’t simply sink a carrier, P-700 might. Of course in my definition, the price and difficulty of the system isn’t taken in account. But I suppose that’s a matter of comprehension, what is “most advanced”? according to you it’s something different and I can of course live with that.
And what is good for ?? If you sink a carrier or damage it enough to force it to withdraw makes no difference. Any missile hit an an american carrier would be a huge PR victory, you don´t need to sink it. And a carrier won´t come close until the captian is sure enough to have cleared away the biggest threat to the task force. A SuAG or a sqn of Granit carrying planes is relative easy to clear away. NSms hanging from the tactical fighters, corvettes, frigates and even helicopters are much harder to take out of the game and therefore have a much better chance to get a shot at the carrier.
let’s make it clear: If let’s say N.K. or Iran let’s say buy SSN 19 ( that you so much dislike forgetting that they were already 20 years ago while this s..t of NSM is only coming now and this for me IT’S a difference) this NOT MEAN that they must buy a Kirov or Oscar. In this case you should be right 100%, but not forget how a single vessel in the history has made a strong deterrent ( the Yavuz, the Tirpiz).
And those ships usually took away more resources, then they were worth operationally.
So, what’s the strange to imagine a SSN 19 coastal version for Iran or N.K. or China?
There weapons could be “vulnerable?” Laughing for xx minuts. Have you present the “success” of the SCud hunting in DS and OIF? Do you find that a truck with a single SSN 19 is more vulnerable that a truck with 2 exocet but that it must be in the 20-30 Km range from the shores? Have you have present the “little difficults” to fly deep in Iran for 400 km before to reach some SSN 19 mobile launchers?
Have you present that the SSN 19 could be used as nuclear attack supersonic long range missile in a manner that NO norwegian s….y missiles can eventually do?
Even land based you are still looking at the targeting problem. If land based systems can triangulate the postion of a carrier strike group exactly enough, you are most liekly well within the range of NSM.
Secondly I bet that having missile silos all around your cost is no option if you have longer coatline to defend. So you would look at mobile systems. Grnait is huge and unlike a SCUD it has to move towards the target before eganging. Given the needed trailer size I bet it would be a nice target on a JSTARS. It could be possible, but I would prefer more, smaller missiles.
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