@Seahawk:
Hardly… if there is one thing that this administration has taught us is that it’s “never” out of money. Just look at O’Care. It was billed as a way to save money and now the news is that it will add 6 trillion to the debt within 10 years. He said that the average family’s cost will drop by $2500 by the end of his first term… How did that work out?
What they have done, and will continue to do, is weight the program benefits against what it will cost and make a purchase decision. They may trim the annual buy to fit within a certain budget and plan to make up the buys later, but they are beyond the “reduce capabilities” point as a way of saving money.
That might be true for the US, but surely not for many export customers.
It’s the other way around. You don’t say “give me the best plane for $XXXX” Instead you say “What will it cost me for YYYY capability”.
In other words you lay down a spec (aka what its capabilities are) and then determine what the cost is. If the cost is too high, then you have the choice to remove capabilities to save money. In either case, it’s a balance of capability and cost with capabilities being the driving factor.
Think of it this way; the soldier/pilot in the field does not care what a weapon costs, only that it get’s the job done.
That time is over. Today it is “we got $XXXX to buy YY numbers of that type of equipment, what is the best I can get for that money?”
Who cares about looks? What matters is the costs and the then the capabilities. The costs speak against the F-35.
The Avros are old today. It will be hard to find a fleet of 10 planes that are available, have spotless papers, have the same standard and still have enough flight hours and cycles left before a D-check is due.
If you consider that Lufthansa is retiring their 747-400s with 120.000 flight hours on the clock in less than 25 years, the 22.500 seem to be very little.
If and when J-11 goes on-line, there could easily be hundreds or even over thousand Flanker version still be built. China has a huge need to modernize its armed forces and it is dubious that heir own 5th generation designs will be ready in large enough numbers before 2025.
There is one role this thing actually makes sense. It is a modern day Kamikaze plane. Cheap to built, slow, hard to detect, flown by barely trained volunteers.
Secrecy is no option, when you can find videos of Iranian IL-76 landing in Syria by the dozens – even in full-hd quality. US and Israeli pressure is also not having that much of an impact, the real question for Iran is, if they go all out in helping the regime survive, while risking to face a very hostile Syria if the regime should fall nevertheless. Should Syria turn hostile to Iran, Iran will also have huge problems keeping Hezbollah in the game, as getting supplies through to them would be next to impossible. No supplies would alter the balance of power in Lebanon, probably allowing Lebanon to resume functioning as regular state, most likely not hostile towards Israel and even if hostile to Israel probably controlled by Saudi Arabian and / or Turkish influence.
I know that things get better with lots of incremental changes in supporting tech… but none of that leads to “100’s” of times better in a 6-10 year timeframe.
Neither is Australia or South Korea. Japan isn’t squeaking a peep about either of them.
Australia and Hapan should be covered through ACSA.
Yes cheap but these 146 are to provide in theatre transport in Afghanistan. The airframes are being put through the minimum changes to make them fit for service in theatre.
What they are not doing is installing ASW kit!
A Bae 146 based solution would be awful!
They are doing this job until the mission in Afghanistan ends, which happen probably sooner than a RFP for a MPA would take-off.
For me it should be off the shelf, affordable and new built. (ask the Germans how much joy the Dutch P-3C brought)
So for me AT-72 or C295 based should be perfect. Something that has a realistic chance to be on time and on budget.
did you even read what the article said? :rolleyes:
its the Kaveri that will not be used on the Tejas, and since these programs were delinked a few years ago, this article really is a few years late- and we knew years ago that the first 40 Tejas Mk1s would fly with the F-404-IN20 and the F-414INS6 was earmarked for the Tejas Mk2.
Just FYI, the Tejas program is still going ahead and a Mk2 is in the works. So its not good bye Tejas, its firmly placed in the plans for the IAF. Watch out for a lot of updates on this program from Aero-India 2013.
And Kaveri will be used for other purposes as well, most likely the UCAV and a variant perhaps for the AMCA, so its not dead either.
Have you been following the actions of the IAF. Additional SUs here, talk about additional Rafales there, Jaguar / M2K up-grade and SLEP on the way, any potential hopes for Tejas export orders practically gone, plane is just coming out of a lengthy grounding. Development is way behind the current F-35 state for example, the role of the plane in the IAF is questionable…
Now with one of the most important technological / political goals missed, it is not that hard to speculate about an end for that program. And I personally consider the support of the IAF lukewarm at best, probably ice cold when asked to pick between 100 Tejas Mk2. and 60 SUs or Rafales.
Goodbye Tejas.
What was that about retiring it in 2015 because we won’t have any use for it after we withdraw from Afghanistan?
Used in two other wars in just over two years since that announcement was made. Hmmm.
That was one of the most stupid statements ever made anyway. I mean who could need another effective SA system?
So prove me that you’re right. Please give me a reliable sources. Sorry but I don’t buy your opinion. Even if the FOV is small the sensor can scan a large volume of the sky quickly, just see above video about Gripen NG IRS&T. Also SAAB said that it work just like a radar ( see above link ).
But radar is still primary sensor as it isn’t so vulnerable to atmospheric condition, and it has got much better range against non VLO target than IRS&T (today radar can detect 1 sq m fighter target 200km away, while IRS&T only 50km head on ).
But with sensor fusion IRS&T can give you some advantageous in EW environment, and still can detect VLO target much further than just radar.
Sure the Saab presentation is actually quite correct. The IRST sweeps the sky, as most IRST sensors are gimbal mounted and can be turned, so that they do not rely on their FOV alone to search the sky. The scan interval (time that passes between two “scans” of the same part of the sky) becomes longer, the smaller the FOV becomes. Add to the fact that the scan range are way more influenced by atmospheric conditions, the IRST is not providing the same situational awareness as a radar against non VLO targets. Against VLO targets it is more difficult to say, as this would depend on atmospheric conditions, the IR signature of the VLO target (reduction of iR signature is part of VLO design), the radar signature of the VLO target and the output power of your radar as well as the processing power of the radar.
Against planes the two sensor complement each other, giving the plane an improved SA. Against ground targets, the required processing power to auto detect and classify targets with an IRST increases in the same way as the needed processing power for the radar increases in such cases. I dare say that there are few planes flying that could auto detect a warship using the IRST alone, especially if there is lots of other ship traffic. So even in this case it is easier to combine both sensors, with the radar finding the contacts and the IRST identifying them.
Read the last tech specs. I bet that the longest range is achieved with the smallest FOV.