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  • in reply to: Rafale news XII #2302969
    seahawk
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    I don’t get your point.
    So, what was the best thing for Dassault to say ?

    We know that buying fighters has a huge political dimension, why do you try to dodge that part ?

    If we look at the past, specially what happen in Korea, don’t you think your sentence should be “Dassault and the French press have developed a nasty habit of saying the truth” ? 😀

    Is the “truth” getting them contracts? And they should know that there is a political dimension to such deals, but it is not like France is not using this factor as well. If you can not go to court and challenge a deal, you should shut up, throwing dirt is not going to help selling planes.

    in reply to: Rafale news XII #2303112
    seahawk
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    Some remarks about the Swiss purchase.

    1. It has to be expected that Rafale was more effective than Grippen
    2. The Swiss seem to have wanted a certain number of airframes, or the number of Rafales you can get for 3 bill is not more effective than the number of Grippens you get for Bill.
    3. While the Swiss Air Force might have preferred Rafale, the whole Swiss Armed Forces, might have preferred to have a 1 bill. to spent on the needs of the Army.

    The results of the evaluation are worth nothing without nothing without the costs of the airplane. If it would just be about the most effective airplane, F-22 would probably sell by the thousands.

    in reply to: Rafale news XII #2303502
    seahawk
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    Swiss air force very clearly recommended the rafale as the best option. The better performance allowed to do more with the rafale with less aircrafts than with the gripen. It is the swiss operational evaluation itself that came to that conclusion.

    If the gripen was considered more efficient within the same budget swiss air force would have recommended it.

    Swiss politics decided to look at the price argument only without looking at the overall operational effectiveness.

    Swiss politics looked at the needs of the state budget and the whole Swiss Armed Forces, not just the Air Force. And the leaves them with 25% money saved to spent on the needs of the army or save within the budget.

    Apart from that from a certain number of airframes on, the “do more with less” argument simply fails.

    Say you want:

    3 CAPs with 2 planes at ready 15
    and 6 planes available for daily training missions

    12 planes won´t cut that, 16 might do.

    in reply to: Rafale news XII #2303584
    seahawk
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    If you read the interview with the CEO of Dassault, the problem of Dassault becomes obvious imho. It is never their fault and they never lose in a fair competition. Even if we see that the reasoning in Switzerland was quite logical, based on the need to replace the F-5 and the given budget. Rafale was the best plane, but the actual winner was good enough and leaves Switzerland with a billion bucks to spend on other purchases for its armed forces. If that is not a reasonable decision by Switzerland, then what is? Yet Dassault again thinks it was a political decision based on differences between Switzerland and France.
    Dassault and the French press have developed a nasty habit of badmouthing interested buyers, when they lose a contract. I bet we will quickly learn a lot about bribes in India from the sources close to Dassault, should Typhoon be selected. Such behaviour ihmo will surely **** off interested buyers.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2303849
    seahawk
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    And that might be one of the reasons, why Rafale sold badly so far. It is never the fault of Dassault.

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2304713
    seahawk
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    spare parts could be more expensive on Rafale too.

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2307864
    seahawk
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    If they do not take Rafale, they should cancelthe whole think and take more SU-30s.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2308790
    seahawk
    Participant

    Tripoli area is huge isn´t it? But one should not forget, that the French were quick to give the political go and also had planes in theatre.Other nations had to deploy there forces, or wait for political approval of airstrikes.

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2309392
    seahawk
    Participant

    The exact whereabouts of every French aircrafts in the beginning of the war is not known.

    What we roughly know is :

    – before the 19th march, French aircrafts were flying recce missions in Libya,

    – the 19th march, French aircrafts bombed targets near benghazi and “French warplanes attacked an air defense site in Tajura, about 10 kilometers east of the Libyan capital of Tripoli on Saturday night.” : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfvaoWyjZGo

    – the 28th march, “The French military has released a video it claims shows French fighter jets bombing a Libyan ammunitions depot south of Tripoli on March 28th.” : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcka0pJL6X8&feature=player_embedded

    Well did they attack before or after the 110 cruise missiles hit on the 19th?

    US aircraft were hitting SAM sites, on their first sorties in theatre as early as the 20th as well. Even old F-16AMs started doing this on the 24th, according to reports from Norway.

    I think it is very difficult to draw any conclusions of the capabilities of different planes from that campaign. Just consider that the RAf deployed later and the Brimstone was a unique capability, so Tornados were used in different roles.

    in reply to: Super Hornet #2311504
    seahawk
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    You can have the best airplane, but if it costs 50% more maintenance hours, it will create less sorties, than a lesser plane, if operating from an aircraft carrier, where you are limited by the under deck space and personal.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2311681
    seahawk
    Participant

    I am not aware that EF failed an operational requirement so far.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2312438
    seahawk
    Participant

    the only think we can gather from the Swiss competition is.

    1. Rafale was the superior aircraft
    2. Rafale was cheaper than Typhoon
    3. Typhoon had better offsets

    Very hard to draw any conclusion from that for the IAF competition, but imho the best plane should always win, which means Rafale, which was the best in al lcompetitions in entered.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2312446
    seahawk
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    The up-graded F-5 might be the solution. If you want to kill an new fighter program, you pick a winner that satisfies no one. The taxpayers, will be happy if the 3.1 billions are saved, and happily pay a few hundred millions for a service-life extension of the F-5.

    The Air Force might be happy to avoid the plane they did not want and have a new competition in 10 years.

    The Army might be happy, as the available money is not completely spent on planes.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2314589
    seahawk
    Participant

    Good decision. The Gripen is “good enough” and costs less.

    in reply to: MMRCA news thread 10 #2314594
    seahawk
    Participant

    Does it no get boring to discuss topics so far from reality? The Rafale served well in Libya, but I would also no go as far to say that the early use, shows a special quality. Libyais huge and threat level was very different. Afaik cruise missiles were used against target in the Tripoli area, even down town, in the beginning of the war. Rafale did not attack in that area early in the war.

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