And Neuron is not the only such program. EADS Barracuda for example which is backed by Spain and Germany.
And I would not bet on wo had the first stealthy UCAV demonstrator, when you think how suddenly RQ-170 Sentinel jumped out of the black and even then X-45 was before Neuron.
I am old enough to remember similar regards about the Typhoon… And Eurocopter, and the Airbus 320, the 400, and MBDA, and…
Never is an awfull long word.
If you remember, you will know that the Typhoon started as FEFA, from which the French pulled out, because they demanded a 50% work share, a carrier version and most importantly design leadership by Dassault.
Same with Airbus. It was to include Aerospatiale, Deutsche Airbus and Hawker Siddeley, this time HS did not enter the contract and it took till 1979 until BAe joined Airbus. And when Aerospatiale, DASA and CASA merged into EADS, BAe did not join them either.
Eurocopter is also just a result of the merger from DASA and Aerospatiale and in fierce competition to Augusta Westland.
That won´t happen imho. A project including Dassault, BAe, EADS – Cassidian, Saab and minor players, will never fly.
The European Air Force have never been technology leading, apart from the French. The French are well set with Rafale, the other will do with Grippen and Typhoon (or even up-dated F-16s) till 2040. Then they will either buy American or Russian planes. The European industry, French apart, has failed to deliver state-of-the-art aircraft in the past and with no budgets to use and an already huge technology gap to Russia, China and the US they surely won´t be able to built a 5+ generation fighter in 2030. The current fighter will be the last manned combat aircraft built in Europe.
It’s not a matter of “feel”ings, it’s a documented fact.
In France, our Mirage cost between 8,000 and 10,000€ per FH, while Rafale will cost 11, 000 to 12,000 (sometimes quoted even lower).
Not fair though. As especially the not upgraded M2000C fleet is very tired, so older planes requite more maintenance than newer planes and some spare parts are difficult and expensive to get, as the OEM is often out of business. A new plane has to have lower operational costs, if it is to have lower lifetime costs.
In India I think it will be a race between the Typhoon and the Super Hornet.
@Sign,
@Seahawk,
lol
I mean what is that discussion going to show? That the SU can carry more fuel internally, well that is no surprise if you look at the design goals.
Even the ongoing comparison between the mechanical Captor and first generation AESA seems a bit pointless to me, because nobody knows what the result shown to the pilot would be, how the information is presented, how reliable it is and how much situational awareness the pilot gains and how much work he needs to put into working the radar. Sensor fusion and am-to-machine interface are also ignored and few real pilots are in position to have an educated analysis of the different fighters. Maybe the EF voice control system is a big advantage in a dogfight, when the pilots just needs to say “guns” to activate the gun and switch the radar in the correct mode, while the pilot of a SU-27 might need to operate 3 switches to achieve the same.
Even engine data tells us little about the actual flying capabilities of the engine. Can you pull the engine from idle to full burner without a problem and leave everything to the engine control system, or will you need to be careful to not move the throttle to fast to avoid a compressor stall or something?
And there is one other thing. Do we know how the state acceptance trails compare in Russia, China, USA and Europe?
I wonder what you are discussing.
Everybody knows that only Rafale can barely match a Su-27SM and later, while EF is seriously outdated already.
Landing craft is the least needed.
A KC-787 might be a great aircraft, but how many years is that going to take? Not sure that the USAF could wait that long.
Bu Boeing could wait so long. :diablo:
Today, the radar size or output power and even the type of antenna are often second to the software, when it comes to operational efficency. Data processing is the key.
In regard to weapons certification and integration on the EF. If India buys the Tiffy, it will be a full partner and most likely it will be the partner with the largest fleet, so it will have a big say in what weapon will be integrated and when. They could even do the work in India, which seems quite interesting if you think about technology transfer.
No, from a Boeing point of view no contract is ok. The KC-135 is a Boeing product and keeping it flying will means work for them. While a delay would allow them to offer a KC-787, once the second line for the 787 is ready and the delays for the airliner customers have been dealt with.
Boeing can´t afford a split buy, as the 767 line is dead when it comes to airline customers. Keeping the line open till 2025 for 0,5 aircraft each month is probably not viable.
PESA fpr the Rafale currently.