Yeah I agree that weapons integration is an issue when it comes to the Rafale. How much of an issue I don’t know. You would have to know what the Rafale team proposes in terms of deadline and cost to integrate other weapons to the Rafale. Surely if a customer requires a weapon, integration has plenty of time to be carried out before delivery of the first Rafale to the customer, but then how much would it cost?
Luckily there are a few deals open where it might be no problem like Brazil or Lybia.
India might work as well, although I think that they have integrated many parts of Israeli origin into their current inventory, which might be a problem for Rafale.
Weapons integration is on Rafale is a problem imho. Yes it has a solid choice of French waepons integrated, but there are few nations who use those weapons.
The problem just isthat the average Frenchman refuses to speak english to the average German. I experienced this more then once during airshows in France. I had to make do with my very limited knowledge of French and as a guy from the UK showed up the Frenchmen suddenly was fluent in english.
Lately that is true for many competitions, just “best plane” must mean “best plane for country and Air Force”.
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the Swiss competition plays out from that point of view. Switzerland has already chosen both a high off-boresight SRAAM (AIM-9X) and an active-radar MRAAM (AIM-120C) and Rafale is not integrated with either at the moment. Needless to say, it seems unlikely that such a small airforce would acquire a second stockpile of missiles for the same role.
Then again, the SRAAM question at least applies to the other competitors as well, I don’t believe AIM-9X is available for either the Gripen or the Typhoon.
I thin integrating AIM-9X into Typhoon should be no problem. It uses the legacy AIM-9 hardware which Typhoon has. Only integrating it into the helmet mounted display might need some work.
The biggest problem of Rafale is weapons integration. It has been tested with French stuff that is mostly not in use by other Air Forces.
Look at Saudi Arabia, they an hang most of the stuff they can put on the F-15s an Typhoon. Austria is able to use its old AIM-9 on Typhoon.
And in the future every partner nation will integrate additional weapons. You can choose between AIM-9, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, AMRAAM and in the future Meteor just for air-to-air. Litening pods are integrated, GPS guided bombs, US made LGBs and a range of stand-off weapons will be added as well. (Storm Shadow, Taurus,…)
Which focis mode C or S? Which tracking mode? lens correctly set? Which 70-300?
OK, I give you a point here..
BTW, the guy’s story is fascinating, he explained the tactics used in detail, his battery has reportedly travelled more than 1000km every day just to ensure their positions remained unknown.. A real example that even in high-tech war combat skills and commitment do make a difference..
1000km every day? Well a SAM battery using side roads should take at least 20 hours for that.
Who can be surprised? J-10 came decades after F-16 and MiG-29 and they had some outside help. Engines and avionics and most likely in the desing of the plane itself, which reminds a little of a certain failed fighter project in the middle east.
Since it was designed as it was to beat climb records, still turn better than a Mig 25….
At subsonic speed some said that the A4 was excellent at energy management, it would eat any F15 any time…
Fully agree with you, I just wonder why it comes as a surprise that a SU-30 (which is also 20 years newer and has canards and TVC) is better in that arena then the F-15.
SU-30 will also be a challenge to F-15 in an energy fight at higher mach number (above 0.7) but I doubt that its advantage will be as big, especially as the canard tooting SUs are know to bleed of energy quite quickly.
All in all it would be a disaster for the Russian aircraft industries, if the SU-30MKI would not be able to beat F-15Cs that have no AESA.
Same with the jamming pods made in Israel. Does it surprise anybody that they are capable of jamming F-15s? :diablo:
What a pointless discussion.
Nobody should be surprised that the SU can beat the F-15 in a slow spped WVR dogfight. Even an A-4 could do this and I have a nice collection of F-15 in the gunsights of F-4Fs. An F-15 always had to keep speed and energy up to dominate the enemy.
Secondly the mechanical scanned radars in the F-15C have not seen much up-grades in the last decade, as AESA was ready just not funded for a fleet wide upgrade.
So how can it be a surprise that SU-30MKI is a match to it. Those F-15 were nearly 20 years old when the SU-30MKI entered operational service. Just the man to machine interface alone is more then one generation ahead.
BUT all this mostly matters in exercises only. In a real conflict F-15 have the whole combined might of the american armed forces behind them. From SIGNIT to AWACS. Today all integrated with datalinks. That is (and has always been) the deciding factor for their strong dominating status in air combat.
Ohhh not once again a tread like the F-15 vs. Su-27 and F-22 vs. PAK-FA !
… and why should an updated, stealty Su-35 be superior to the realy stealth F-22 ???
… one again that strange belief in Russian superiority in all field of aviation.
Deino
Not a stealthy SU but a new stealthy airframe that takes over the virtues of SU-35. It will have at least equal avionics, surely better post-stall manoeuvrability abd fill §D thrust-vectoring. Add the superior ranged Russioan AAMs and you get a F-22 killer. :diablo:
I would say that a stealthy SI-35 should be superior to F-22. Pak-FA will be even more advanced.
It is quite easy to find stealth aircraft. You just need to have the processing power to find the place in the sky which have no radar return at all. 😀
It is pointless comparing airplanes, you have to compare the whole system behind them. JSF in the UK service is surely superior in attacking highly defended targets with bombs, comapred to Rafale or Super Bug. However how many nations are fielding such modern systems in the future. A few – I would say. But more interestingly how many nations will be fielding such systems, while it would still be able for a RN task force centred around 1 carrier to patrol the coastline of this country. Would such a country not be fielding an AWACS systems, radar systems for naval surveillance, 4th generation fighters with modern ASMs, anti radiation missiles and a navy with modern ships and more anti-ship systems in addition to a few submarines.
For me it is obvious that a RN taskforce with JSF won´t be able to attack countries other then the same taskforce with F-35 as it would lack in support.