The F-104G had a down-firing ejection seat at first, which was total unsuited to that missions.
No the F 104 G ( Gustav) was to get the upward firing C2 Seat right from the beginning. The Lockheed C1 seat was the one firing downwards….;)
As a son of a German F 104 Driver with over 1000hrs on type, I can say, that my father always spoke of her with respect and with a smile on his face, despite a serious crash, caused by a bird- strike.
He often stated, that the 104 was often underestimated regarding dog fight abilities. But he reported, that more than once, the 104 was not on the receiving end.:p a matter of tactics, he said with a smile….
Low level, he said, she was very stable, very demanding, but with a relatively small RCS. Navigation via INS was a big improvement over the F 84, and the ground mapping mode was first class that time.
Fuel consumption was relatively low when you kept the throttle out of burner range.
Bombing was extremely precise back in the 60ies with the Mergenthal Computer, and he said ( this was confirmed by a squadron mate), that he achieved more DH ( direct hits) during the day, than with the F 84 in a month…..
A close friend of mine ( also an ex F 104 driver with over 800 hrs on type, later flying the Tornado), said that they often teased Dutch, German or British warships by flying over their masts, without being detected before the buzzed the boat……:p
Low level appeared to be no problem……:p:p
I also read about very high workloads during intercepts, regarding radr handling.
In AirInternational Volume 76 no.3 it is stated, that 20 Lightning sorties were possibly necessary, to intercept 1 Tu- 95 Bear during F.1 area…
And neither the F.6 nor the F.53 had RWRs…..
The Lightning, indeed a beautiful and outstanding aircraft, had one major disadvantage:
You were fuel critical, the time you got airborne………
At 30,000 ft, a Lightning F.6 would require approximately 1 minute and 1,250 lb of fuel to accelerate from 650 to 675 KIAS.
This makes about 4 Minutes burner with the fuel load of the 104……
This is based on a maximum-range subsonic intercept radius of 370 NM (425 mi, 625 km). An F 6 equipped with Red Top missiles can climb to 36,000 ft and cruise at Mach 0.87 to a loiter or intercept area 370 NM distant. It then has 15 minutes on station to complete the intercept or identification task before returning to base. The afterburners are not used during this profile, and the total mission time is 112 min
In the US, at Luke AFB, training the GAF pilots.
Which time frame are you talkin about??
My father was also flying the F 104 F, which was considered as the hottest 104 in the service. No weapons, no radar, ergo very light and fitted with the engine of the Gustav!
My father always smiled, when he shared his experiences.
The accident rate of the Germans wasn´t the highest among the 104 operators. The CAF lost even more aircraft compared to their fleet size.
A big disadvantage was the lack of proper infrastructure for day to day operations. No shelters at the beginning. Imagine a bavarian winter, the planes parked outside in the snow, -20 °Celsius. And then launch a 4 or 8 ship of coald soaked aircraft, which were designed for warmer climates…..
Short circuits were not uncommon……
I believe it was published a couple of months ago – but I don’t have a direct link to hand I’m afraid.
Thanks anyway!:)
@alfakilo:
In which service you flew the F 104 ?? Germany?? Luftwaffe or Marineflieger??
My father flew out of Lechfeld, starting with the f 84 before transitioning to the 104.
Is there a final report availiable??
Crash of a Rafale M, the pilot is safe
The defense journalist Jean-Dominique Merchet has revealed, on his blog Secret Defense, that a Rafale M of the CdG has crashed today, 100 km off the cost of Pakistan.
The Rafale would have had a problem during its transit to its patrol zone, forcing the pilot to go back to the CdG. unfortunately, he was not able to land and had to eject near the aircraft carrier. He has been picked up alive by the “Pedro” safety helicopter of the board (An Alouette III or a Dauphin). The exact cause(s) of the crash are not known yet.
Ok!:)
Sorry!
You forgot the german u-boats…..
You forgot the german u-boats…..
The XL would have smoked anything in the air-air- arena until the EF and SU 35 came out….