Well, as far as I know, the subs used during Falkland war, weren´t the quietest ones…..
And the ASW assets, used by the Argentinians were not top notch that time….
When I am the opposing commander, facing a US carrrier group in my area, I would defintely try a combined attack……
A key role would play the air strike, but the other emphasis would bw an attack by subs.
The Conqueror used Mark VIII Torpedos, which were developed backin the 20ies, and propelled by a 4 cylinder gas motor. So this is a very strong hint, that the Belgrano battle group had catastrophic misperfomances regarding ASW…..
Try it a different way.
Remember the Tornado attack??Well it could be coordinated with an effective sub attack….
The only submarine I can think of, performing such an attack is the german type 212A.
It´s predecessor, the 206 class, was often able, to penetrate the carrier ASW ring during NATO- Exercises in the North Sea, I saw a couple of pictures showing Ticonderoga cruisers and carriers photographed through the sub´s periscope. And this happened despite the ASW cover provided by Los Angeles class subs and Seahawk missions flown in the inner ring. And the 206 was a diesel sub……:p
Now imagine what a class 212 A could do…..:eek:
IDAS is supposed to be operational in 2014…
So the ASW- Helis have to be very careful. Almost silent, these subs could be a serious threat for US carrier groups……
All nuclear subs a louder than the 212….
So a longe range torpedo lauch could turn in a short underwater dogfight……
And two of these subs in the vicinity of a carrier and an well planed air strike, could ruin the day of an US admiral commanding a carrier group……
Unflattering nicknames aside…
Did AA and other MD-11 operators say why they retired them?
Well, they could have get a good price for them, above the level of a used aircraft in this class…….
It is said, that the 747 200 F consumed 25% more fuel (per ton of transported cargo) than the MD……

Ok, then I apologize for my reply, and I deeply regret my statement!:o
Ok, then I apologize for my reply, and I deeply regret my statement!:o
Post deleted, because it was inappropiate!Sorry again!
Post deleted, because it was inappropiate!Sorry again!
What was the config…
EFTs, bombs, missiles, A2A refueling?
All these need to be answered before the Su-34’s performance can be evaluated.
Sure, but it shows , that the Su34 can be brought to any theatre of operations within the vicinity of C.I.S. …….
How much performance was given away from the original design of the SU 27 compared to the SU 34??
Topspeed?? Ok, hence the new intakes, agility, ……….
Thx everyone for your answers…….! 
Next question….
Wouldn´t this airframe be a perfect platform for a new Wild Weasel type, hence the available space within the airframe and the performance datas??
Impressing video – russian only!
The cockpit looks very spacious, not that cramped and not so bad ergonomics-wise….
The landing gear could make operations from unpaved runways possible, and the plane isn´t that sensitive to crosswind, thanks to the wide track of the main gear.
The drag chute is also a plus for the Su, regarding operations in winter conditions…..
Does anyone understand the comments made in the video?
It appears to me, that the Russians put the aircraft through some rigorous testing…..
If I win the american powerball lottery ( with 250 million jackpot…)
, rip all the military stuff out of the airplane, put a Collins Pro Line 21 or a Planeview II in it, and it would be the perfect Bizz-Jet for me 

There’s no way the flyaway is $30-40 million. Mig-35’s are ~$70 million.
I think 40 Million € are more accurate
And the price tag shouldn´t be forgotten…
Various sources state that the fly-away price is around 30 to 40 million $..
That gives a plenty of financial room for additional equipment and weapons development/ integration.
While not necessarily concerned with global missions, doesn’t Australia need a longer range capability with its F-111s retiring? And aren’t they not completely satisfied with the capabilities of the F/A-18 and F-35?
Good point…..