Yes but the stuka was designed purely as a dive bomber whereas the Il series was a ground pounder.Only way to get a point either way is to list out both their pro,s and cons.

Makes you wonder what the colleges teach these guys…..as they say there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom.It is all sensationalism,probably why I rarely read a paper these days.I hope the remains of the T33 gets salvaged.The nose would be nice as a cockpit section and the rest of it stripped to provide parts for other aircraft.

Yeah here they are called Victorians:)…Sorry guys couldn,t resist…

Geez mate taking a risk..handbags only guys,no brollies or walking canes..there is so much stuff on the web but the prob of it all is how bleedin correct is it all.During the BoB the luftwaffe inflated the scores somewhat.So did the Brits…I,m not sure but didn,t the luftwaffe start up a special branch that investigated each aircraft downed by their pilots?I,ve heard that some kills took months of digging around before the pilot got the mark for it.Other airforces I,m not sure but it is common for all pilots to embelish at some point in their careers.I agree on your points of Marseilles and can,t really add much more.I,m limited by not knowing much about other pilots as Rall or Steinhoff for example,only what has been written generally about them.Others more inteligent than me can provide deeper studies of the aces.Iv,e read the “Blond night of Germany” and thats about it as far as knowledge goes for me.Japanese aces are hard to nail down to specific kills due to the nature of the combat plus many records being lost by the end of the war.Russia is always been a patriotic country so anything to make them look larger than life was used to fool the public.Can,t forget italy as romantic as they were they produced some fine pilots and finer(although undergunned) aircraft.I like threads where things diversify slightly.It,s like a good conversation where the central theme is kept but is enlarged by opinions and ideas and allowed to grow naturally.Here in Auss it,s a common thing to take the Mickey outa something or someone.Keep it light and humourous and don,t get too serious as wars have started for less:)

Yes Marseille was a marksman..so was Hartman in the first part till he took to getting in close.So were many other pilots on all sides.Hartman acheived most of his kills in the East due to the high number of opponents.These opponents were probably considered substandard in aircraft types,pilot skills and tactics.But on the other hand Marseille,s opponents were skilled ex BoB pilots for the most part plus the opposing sides were fairley evenly matched in regard to aircraft type.Tactically the luftwaffe continued with the advantages that were taken away from them in England to great success.Propaganda played a big part but Hans was the atypical fighter pilot.Skilled,outlandish,a playboy if you will with little regard to authority.A foe highly regarded on both sides of the fence.But the first pilot to be propped up as the greatest was Moelders.He was onto becoming the best but as again he didn,t survive.

“Hey you told me this is a good spot to see the show…But honestly I can,t see sh!t..”

A vitual beer to the lucky crewmen from us guys down under.Hope you put your feet up rest for a while.I second that planes can be replaced,people can,t,especially their wisdom and knowledge.
On the other side on the planet we can only shake our heads when the British press go off.It is not cricket when they report such traversties..as the saying goes it is easier to say something bad about something than good.And this from guys who probably earn more than a normal guy on the factory floor.Can,t buy wisdom it seems.