It would be interesting to see the wing shape from above…

It would be nice to see the wing-shape at all!

Very careful control of what is shown, eh?

The idea of 6x fleet carriers in the 1960s (4 CV-1952 plus Eagle & Ark Royal) is a bit of a wet dream. Cut the number in half & we have something plausible. 😉 Here’s what I think is the most realistic scenario:

There is a difference between “Best-case” scenarios, depending on what your underlying economic assumptions are.

Anyway, perhaps the program would be a bit more stretched than I laid out, with more years between the first & second “batches”, and even only one on the building slip at a time, instead of the two-at-a-time I proposed. That would place #3 commissioning around 1967 (in time for an un-modernized Eagle to be placed in reserve), and 1970 for #4 (to replace Ark Royal).

Thanks for the heads-up on the catapults… I see I need to make a change in my drawings & program details.

The first problem I see with the “Perth” type Ikara installation for the Type 82 is that the RN already rejected it!

Remember, the RN went to the covered “zareba”* mount for Ikara to protect the launcher from icing up in the North Atlantic winter (and from wave impact in the forward positions they mounted them in)… there is no way you can fit two of those amidships on anything less than a battleship!

Now, there is room for improvement in the RN Ikara launcher itself… they built a massively-over-engineered (and mechanically-fragile) launcher, capable of aiming rapidly and precisely to within tenths of a degree of azimuth… for a winged, remotely flown, “in-flight steerable”, torpedo-dropping drone “missile”!!!

The Australians, in contrast, built a simple, robust, relatively “approximately-aimed” launcher, placed in uncovered mountings on the stern of their type-12 frigates and amidships on both beams of their “Perth” class DDGs (modified USN C. F. Adams class ships).

This site has a good examination of the RN Ikara system.
http://middle-watch.com/ikara.htm

Note that Bristol was unique in a lot of ways, not least the first deployments of Ikara and Seadart. Designated GWS-40 the Bristol fit had two tracking aerials, although they could only control one missile at a time they ensured full 360 deg cover and ensured the ship could manoeuver violently while still maintaining missile guidance.

*za·re·ba also za·ree·ba (z-rb)
n.
1. An enclosure of bushes or stakes protecting a campsite or village in northeast Africa.
2. A campsite or village protected by such an enclosure.
3. The covered well mount for the Ikara ASW weapons system launcher on Royal Navy ships, particularly HMS Bristol and the Ikara conversions of the Leander Type-12 Frigates.

Ikara: Australian Aboriginal word for “throwing stick”

After this thread sort of died here, he re-posted it there to try to get more discussion going… and there it is seeing much more participation than here.

I guess he should have asked about Hunters or Lightnings.

That looks pretty darned good!

I’ve no complaints with any of it, although you mentioned an expected reduction in Counties of 5, but you only reduced 2.

As for CVA-class names, the two names I have seen in contemporary documents are:
CVA-01 Queen Elizabeth
CVA-02 Duke of Edinburgh.

CVA-03 Prince of Wales would therefore be the most likely choice, considering the name would be chosen while Ark Royal IV (R09) was still in service… even if R09 was not modernized, and was decommissioned before Eagle (R05).

Nicknames for the class could be “Royal” class; “Title” class, or “Family” class (Mother, Father, Eldest Son).

Of course, if the principle is carried to the extreme, you could see the 3 ASW/Commando carriers named Princess Royal, Duke of York, and Earl of Wessex… for the other 3 Royal brats (Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, and Prince Edward), in order.

Two of those have been used before in the 20th century for RN ships… Princess Royal for the Lion class Battlecruiser in 1911 (and 4 times before that) and Duke of York for the King George V class Battleship in 1937 (and once before that).

Queen Elizabeth had, of course, been also used by the RN, for the lead ship of the 1913 Battleship class, Duke of Edinburgh had been used by the RN for the lead ship of the 1903 Armoured cruiser class, and Prince of Wales for the King George V class Battleship in 1937 (and 6 times before that).

Only Earl of Wessex would be without previous use in the RN, although an ASW/Commando helicopter of the name was in RN service at the time, so it would seem appropriate for an ASW/Commando carrier, right?

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Or quoting the entirety of a 50-line post to reply to a 1-line statement therein.

Drives me nuts, especially when the next poster quotes both entire posts… the whole original post and the entire reply including the whole original post again!

Thanks to Don Chan on MM…

http://www.defence.org.cn/article-3-1277.html
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_1369206_1.html

ROCAF, 11th Group flew F-100A until 1984. 48th Squadron was the last F-100A squadron of the world.
ROCAF F-100A retired in September 1984, after three crashed in June, July, and August 1984; one crash per month.

And bashing LM on pricing vs. cost. He is basically saying that LM is pressuring its subs to lower their pricing to offer (part of) the next batch of production vehicles at a low fixed price, with the promise of making the difference up on later buys. Stay tuned.

Yeah… LM showed (and others) him to be uninformed, by delivering the last set of F-35LRIP aircraft at below the expected cost, so he has to invent claims of dirty dealings by LM to try to maintain a semblance of credibility.

I’ll take the reality of actual events over paranoid conspiracy rantings from a very biased loudmouth any day.