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February 26, 2008 at 8:41 am in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1257169

bradleygolding
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Looking at the photos in Stu’s posting it’s difficult to tell if the upper surface is black outside of the stripes or not, but if forced I would say not.

Very interesting.

Steve

February 25, 2008 at 4:49 am in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1258262

bradleygolding
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Hi Steve,
From the only three photos I have seen,
Only one photo shows the uppersurfaces of HE-X, view is from port aft about 15 deg view, it is hard to work out,but there doesn’t seem to be any wing roundels.
The other part is HE-Z, view from starboard front undersurfaces, again about the 15deg angle, it doesn’t seem to have any wing roundels.
Both a/c have the fuselage roundels and fin flash, HE-X has a well worn fuselage tail band.
As only a small portion ( 15% ? ) of the type ‘B’ roundel on the upper wing would be visible, My bet would be that the outer white stripe was ‘widdened’ to cover the roundel.
I think the ‘4+’ and ‘warpaint’ profiles aren’t quite right in showing roundels
Cheers
Jerry

Hi Jerry,

Yes that would seem a sensible action, as the aim for the scheme seems to have been to remove the wing roundels.

Edit: Just zoomed right in to the Starkey graphic and I reckon you can see a couple of pixels of blue outside the white bands.

Fancy posting any of the photos?

All the best,

Steve.

February 25, 2008 at 12:45 am in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1258274

bradleygolding
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I have one question about the ‘Starkey’ colours though. In the graphic in Jerry’s links it shows the aircraft as having both black and white stripes on the top surfaces of the wings which cover the roundels. For the Whirlwind though only two white stripes are applied which would only cover half of the roundels, but no roundels are seen in the graphic, is this right? Were they over painted with grey or green, or half visible, or completely visible?

Any thoughts?

Steve

February 24, 2008 at 9:55 pm in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1258469

bradleygolding
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Operation Starkey it is then.

Steve.

February 24, 2008 at 7:28 am in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1259047

bradleygolding
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Hi Jerry,

Thanks for clearing that up. I will just use a much later standard scheme.

Or just having followed all your links, maybe not.

Imagine all of the books being wrong though!

All the best,

Steve.

February 23, 2008 at 11:43 pm in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1259080

bradleygolding
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Hi Stu,

You are a goldmine. That’s exactly what I am talking about, the ‘Dieppe’ scheme with bombs! So are all these references to the Whirlwinds on the raid wrong? It’s all very confusing. The colour drawing also shows a third version of the scheme with the black distemper covering all of the wing undersides. I know of two other apparent versions which have black outside of the nacelles and either grey or sky for the rest. Which is correct???

Still confused

Steve

February 22, 2008 at 8:13 am in reply to: Westland Whirlibomber Colours #1260991

bradleygolding
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Hi Folks,

Thanks for the replies.

The photo on page 9 of the +4 Whirlwind book clearly shows two white bands on the wings and a white nose, which in Whirlwind circles seems to be refered to as the ‘Dieppe Scheme’. The aircraft in the photo is also carring bombs, which makes it a Whirlibomber. So who knows?

Perhaps I will choose a later normal scheme instead.

All the best

Steve

February 3, 2008 at 4:07 am in reply to: RAF Bombs from WWII #1281248

bradleygolding
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Thanks Folks,

Steve

January 10, 2008 at 11:46 pm in reply to: RAF Airfields on Film #1309861

bradleygolding
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The ‘Da Vinci Code’ used Biggin Hill for the arriving in the UK scenes.

Steve

January 9, 2008 at 10:28 am in reply to: RAF Airfields on Film #1312259

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Also some daft spy film about a nuclear powered DC3, which was shot at Biggin Hill in the early to mid 1960s. Can’t remember the name of it, but I remember that the now East Kirby based Lanc is seen in some shots, still in its French scheme, so that should help with the date.

All the best,

Steve

January 9, 2008 at 10:22 am in reply to: RAF Airfields on Film #1312263

bradleygolding
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‘The War Lover’ Bovingdon ? 1962?

All the best,

Steve.

January 2, 2008 at 11:53 pm in reply to: The World's Smallest Aviation Museum? #1319496

bradleygolding
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In Australia, north of Adilade and near a small town named Greenock. It is the Lincoln Nitschke Aviation Museum and hosts a lone Canberra (WH700) and a single P-51 (I think).

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I visited it last year whilst driving up to the Barossa. Lincoln comes out himself and greets you, a very pleasant chap. The museum is much larger than you expect looking from the outside. I took some photos and may post them at some point. The P51 is a mock up by the way.

All the best,

Steve

December 29, 2007 at 5:31 am in reply to: Westland Whirlwind (fighter) #1325473

bradleygolding
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A full size replica has been very quietly underway for a while.

Mark

Intriguing, would anyone like to add anything further?

All the best,

Steve.

December 2, 2007 at 11:49 am in reply to: Westland Whirlwind Film… FAO Jerry Brewer #1261917

bradleygolding
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Interesting.

bradleygolding – we obtained stills from the Pathe archive, officially with permission to publish, for my Lysander book. The stills were reproduceable in print at a couple of inches square, pretty good for film, and enabled us to illustrate a couple of aspects otherwise missed. As you spotted, the ratio sometimes seems off.

Regards,

Hi James,

When Stu sent me the info last year he suggested that a broadcast copy of the footage would be about £800, although he didn’t say if he intended to publish it in any form. He obviously got hold of a copy, I just wondered what he opted for exactly.

I still need to get back to you about Lysander cockpit photos, I haven’t fogotten, but they are not in any way urgent.

Al the best,

Steve

December 2, 2007 at 6:55 am in reply to: Westland Whirlwind Film… FAO Jerry Brewer #1262094

bradleygolding
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Hi Stu,

Very good, I didn’t realize that you had bought a copy from Pathe, It’s much better than the downloadable one that you forwarded to me a while ago with other Whirlwind stuff. So what was the quality of the copy you orderd and how much ? (you can email me an answer if you don’t want it public).

I think though that the aspect ratio needs changing, both the wheels and the roundels look a little tall (maybe -10% on the height).

Keep it up,

All the best,

Steve
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