You need to distinguish between PAK-FA and FGFA. The progress of PAK-FA is not dependent on Indian funding, unlike FGFA as a special Indian version. Imagine there was no Su-30MKI – it would surely mean one interesting version (and few billions in sales) less, but hardly the end of the whole Flanker series.

Back when this whole thing kicked off India was supposed to buy 200-250 airframes, and contribute billions to development.

If India is indeed both scaling back its acquisition and cutting off the development funding it is a big deal. (programmatically, this says nothing about the Indian criticisms that suggest dissatisfaction with the aircraft itself.) That will certainly drive up the costs of the remaining airframes, potentially forcing India and/or Russia to further scale back their own purchases… classic death spiral.

Omg..
You don’t see the sheer error in this?
An F-35 without a wingman, and has a defensive 9K position from a Flanker…
Even at a offensive 9K position(higher altitude)!

Sorry to burst Your bubble, but the F-35 is totaly screwd without any wingman.

Seriously, you guys has not produced a singel sheed of evidence that the F-35 along With every other jet, regardless of nations, do BFM with a wingman at its selective defensive position. If there is four, then its a 2/2 and so on.
The core of BFM has not really changed sinse the WW2, which i believe a certain german pilot ACE/Instructor wrote the basics of it all.

And the one example was about F-22 vs Legacy F-16/F15 With whatever suck@ss outdated system it ever had in Nelis..
What on Earth has this the do With a Su-35S With an Irbis-E system?

Comeon People, this is pure BS!!

And further more, why the clever idea to put eight(or was it 10?) missiles on the Su-35S..
WHY?
So that the EM Charts of the Flanker would point suspectivly Close(or even worse) the the F-35?
So that the mission Range(time on AB) of the Su-35S would be reduced due to excessive drag?
So that the RCS of the Su-35S would be at the all time high?
So that the Su-35S would simply not outperform the F-35 on the supercruise arena.. which really boils Down to the F-35 have to use far more AB to even keep up, never mind overtake the Su-35S, to get in the Flanking/ambush position you guys are talking about.

Pls do send(PM) “Gums”(retired viper pilot) over at F-16.net a few question about this.. 🙂
Infact he has said on several occations that most of the advs figure on both radar track and missile Pk range are far, FAR unrealistic, and this is pretty solid coming from a guy like him.
I’m talking about the difference in ADVS and REAL perforamance.

I strongly suspect he is right.
The performance of newer systems has a higher specs yes, but the gap between Companies whom farts rainbow all over the horison and what is the realistic take is still very much the same. And that goes for everyone!

I am trying to imagine what the internet would be like if people even occasionally just thanked others for helping them understand something rather than refusing to accept anything they would prefer not to believe…

Hold on!
The Sim did not mention any Growlers!
We can for the time being forget any jamming capability from F-35, no matter what the F-35 comunity claims.

I was speaking more generally than the sim.

As for ignoring the F-35’s jamming capabilities, why on earth would we do that? The F-35 already has a potent jamming capability and has demonstrated it in exercises.

As part of its assigned roles for these missions, the F-35A was tasked with locating adversary surface-to-air missile radars and suppressing those radars via its advanced electronic warfare capabilities or destroying the radars via internally carried bombs.

http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123453863

Advanced electronic warfare capabilities enable the F-35 to locate and track enemy forces, jam radio frequencies and disrupt attacks with unparalleled precision. All three variants of the F-35 carry active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radars with sophisticated electronic attack capabilities, including false targets, network attack, advanced jamming and algorithm-packed data streams. This system allows the F-35 to reach well-defended targets and suppress enemy radars that threaten the F-35.

While F-35 is capable of stand-off jamming for other aircraft — providing 10 times the effective radiated power of any legacy fighter — F-35s can also operate in closer proximity to the threat (‘stand-in’) to provide jamming power many multiples that of any legacy fighter.

https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/electronicwarfare

So, do you understand now that the F-35 has a stand-off jamming capability? (and one that goes way beyond mere noise…)

Now, how about we decide to ignore some Su-35 capabilities “no matter what the Su-35 comunity claims?”

Oh so now we just at at Your leasure position the four F-35 all around those four Su-35S, just like that..:/
How do you suppose that would happen in the first Place, the F-35, would somehow intercept, overtake and surround them?

When you enemy is totally non-stealthy and jamming in every direction this doesn’t require a great deal of creativity.

In order to do so, the Fatso would totaly rely on AB to do this, and how long can the F-35 stay on AB.. 😉

I don’t see how you have come to this conclusion. In reality both groups of fighters would be operating at very similar speeds. With the advantage of knowing where the Su-35s are the F-35s could choose to accelerate, but that need not require them to use a great deal of AB.

I just explained a that in REALITY, the FOUR F-35 would stick together and not fly around on their own With out any wingman or Group to cover eachother.
The notion that you Place them miles apart is stupid as it is incorrect in airial warefare tactics.

I saw that you made that claim, but unfortunately you are wrong. That would be a valid assumption for 4th generation aircraft, but you can’t simply assume pilots will fly the F-35 the way they do F-16s.

See for example:

But understanding the real value of the F-35 one must consider its operation as a fleet, not simply as an individual aircraft. The F-22 was built as an aircraft, which flies in 2, and 4 ship formations, but unlike the F-15, the �wingman� is miles away and not anywhere to be found in visual range. As one pilot put it to me: �When we take off together that is the last time we see each other until we land.�

The F-35 also has the capability to operate miles away from one another, but with a major difference. The individual airplanes are interconnected, operate in 360-degree operational space, and the machines pass the data throughout the network.

http://thediplomat.com/2013/04/game-changer-the-f-35-and-the-pacific/?allpages=yes

The SAP-518 will even the odds no matter what you say.
And sinse you seems to Down play them, pls tell me the SAP 518 limitations as a jamming system?

And The Su-35S has datalink too.

An assertion without evidence…. why don’t you find something you can support and then we can discuss it?

No doubt the F-35 would have several huge advantages in most scenarios against the Su-35.

For the Su-35 the question becomes how to try to reduce those advantages.

Imagine someone built a very crude jammer; simply creating very loud noise in the whole X-band, in all directions. If one also jammed the frequencies used for communication, would this not neutralize of some of the main advantages of the F-35?

1. the advantage of the advanced LPI AESA radar
2. the advantage of the superiour data link
3. the advantage of very sensitive electronic emission sensors (that normally would be able to detect and localize e.g. Link 16 communication)
3. Sensor fusion effectiveness is also reduced because of 1, 2, and 3.

The advantage of this approach brute-force is that it should be able to jam even the most sophisticated AESA, since it makes no assumptions about the signal it is jamming, it’s just drowning everything in noise.

Of course the F-35 still have the IR sensors (but so does the Su-35). And the a/c with the jammer would be the obvious target. Red would only be able to “blind” the F-35 until the a/c with the jammer was taken out. If blue is the US then of course red will lose in any case; but imagine that blue is not the US, but, say, Finland or Norway. Imagine that blue has no anti-radiation missiles available to easily target the jammer (AFAIK neither Norway nor Finland have such missiles today). How would this affect things?

You would need a sci-fi fusion reactor to power a sufficiently powerful jammer of the sort you describe. (Precisely because blasting high power noise across a wide range of frequencies in all directions is hugely inefficient. )

Even then things like the F-35’s MADL datalink don’t operate in Xband anyway and wouldn’t be affected. Even the APG-81, which does operate in x-band, would likely be only mildly inconvenienced by such an approach unless it was looking right at it.

BMW would surely question Tesla´s “leadership” in electric cars technology and Renault/Nissan sells more of them, in terms of “Luxury Cars in general” Tesla is light years away of the top European brands.

I was referring more to technological leadership than market share. Tesla’s Model S is the clear cut leader from a technological standpoint and according to many credible independent reviewers one of the finest luxury sedans/cars of any type ever made.

For all of the impressive new vehicles released in 2014, none was able to eclipse the innovation, magnificence, and sheer technological arrogance of the Tesla. That’s why it’s our best overall pick for the second consecutive year.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1096975_consumer-reports-tesla-model-s-best-overall-again-in-2015

Though from a market share standpoint Tesla isn’t doing poorly either…

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volga’s never spontaneously caught fire while costing $80000 plus they will still work after a nuclear war!

Besides I think the USA is the last place you’d look for great cars.

No, they spontaneously caught fire while costing far less.

And why would they work better after a nuclear war than before?

Tesla is the unquestioned leader in electric cars and debatably luxury cars in general.

And where do you want to land? The whole argument of operating F-35As under those circumstances contemplates utterly idiot tactics of Russia of leaving the Finnish bases intact.
You must be underestimating them a lot…

Finland isn’t going to win a solo war against Russia. The point is to present a credible threat and being capable of contributing to a larger effort.

Otherwise you might as well just demiliterize yourself and hope Russia stops invading it’s neighbors.