Shouldn’t this be in the commercial forum?
Scammers are getting more clever every year, it’s just one of those things.
With email accounts they tend to get hacked with alarming regularity, I’d suggest your friend change his other passwords as well asap.
Far from it. I am directly addressing your point. And extending the rationale of electing every single individual involved in government is of course total nonsense and practised by no nation in the world, and I am quite sure you do not really believe in it.
Well clutching at straws now, but at least you accept that the individual who is the prime Minister is democratically elected, whereas NO officer of the EU is.
That’s the difference.
Not so. If we left the EU, firstly we would undoubtedly receive beneficial trading arrangements as other non-EU members do and we would continue to trade with the individual members under the terms and conditions set. Just as those set with any other trading group or groups.
Not that this was actually the point under discussion.
My point wasn’t that every government position should be elected, just that in the UK many positions aren’t, and you seem fine with this. Only when it goes to the EU level do you have a problem. Officers at the EU level are either appointed by our elected representatives or given the ok by our elected representatives, just like the positions I mentioned. Again, you only seem to have a problem with this at the EU level.
As for the PM, the way one becomes PM in the UK is far from direct. You have to become the leader of a private organisation (party), and only have to be elected personally be under 1% of the electorate.
You’re also ignoring what I said about leaving the EU – I didn’t mention anything about what deals we might/not get. Whatever the deal is would be struck with the EU acting on behalf of its members. The EU negotiates trade deals as an entity all the time, and this is what we would have to negotiate with. That’s all.
The UK head of state is a constitutional monarch with, effectively, no power whatsoever. A figurehead.
The UK Prime Minister is a democratically elected member of the House of Commons and the as the leader of the largest party the Prime Minister of the country.
So I see no relevant comparison with the EU model there.
We do not trade with Europe, we trade with individual member countries. The EU as an “entity” does not trade in anything.
Our leading export partners in 2012 were:
Germany, US, Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Ireland and Belgium
Our leading import partners in 2102 were:
Germany, China, Netherlands, US, France, Belgium and Norway.
You’re avoiding the point a bit about the monarchy – if you think that democracy is the most important thing for the EU then why not the UK? Even the top jobs in the EU have to be approved by elected MEPs or elected heads of government. In the UK voters don’t get to have any say about who government advisors are, UK ambassadors, civil servants, military leaders, or even who our Head of State is. Most of these have to get the OK from our representatives, the same as lots of EU officials.
The UK Prime Minister is only democratically elected by the people of one single constituency in the UK, and they only hold their office because they lead the single largest party in the UK House of Commons. The vast, overwhelming majority of the population had no say whatsoever in who became these party leaders in the first place – it’s very much indirect democracy.
And yes, we trade with the EU states individually, but agreements to trade with the EU are made by the EU as a whole, so considering it as an entity is very relevant. If we left the EU we would have to negotiate with the EU as an entity, not individual member states.
As a series, it has to be Game of Thrones, although I’ve recently started watching ‘Luther’ for the first time and I’m really enjoying it.
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How can the trading nations that comprise the EU be our major market when we now export less to them than we do to the trading nations that comprise the rest of the world and who now buy a larger slice of our exports than the EU?
Yes, I agree, the nations that comprise the EU are an important market for our exports but they are not, according to the ONS, and using your words: ‘our major market’.
I concede that the gap between what the EU buys from us and what the rest of the world buys, seems to be variable according to which stats you’re prepared to accept.
This comment plus that at #10 is my reply.
One further point; When the euro collapses, countries will still continue, almost seamlessly, to buy and sell – they have to, to exist. The euro will rapidly become an irrelevance as nations revert to familiar and tested currencies.
John, as a single entity the EU is our largest trading partner – this isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.
Their presence at the D-day anniversary is an affront to everything we fought for. Publicly unelected, autocratic dictators should have no place in modern society.
And yet none of you who decry the EU seem to be pushing for an elected Head of State for the UK.
As for Barrosso, the President of the European Commission is voted for by the EU Parliament, which is pretty similar to how the PM of the UK get his/her job as well. We don’t vote for the PM directly either, but again you don’t see any complaints about this. Makes me think that people who don’t like the EU use the ‘non-democratic’ criticism of it very selectively.
Come to that, nor do people in the US vote for their President directly, it goes through the electoral college which means that you can win the popular vote by theoretically tens of percent and still lose the race for the White House.
Indeed I remember it, one huge flame war that made the F-35 news and discussion thread look like well meaning, rational and friendly debate in comparison!
Indeed. I wonder how long ago it was, now that I think about it? Must be a while, I’ve been posting here for 10 years now! Time is starting to catch up with me!
The most popular boys name in Peterborough last year was – – – – -drum roll – – – Mohammed –now tell me that is right.
That’s mainly because many Muslims like to name their sons Mohammed. It isn’t the most popular name because a majority of children are named that, it’s because a sizeable minority consistently choose it and the majority choose something else.
But it’s true. Less than half the population of London are white British people, due in part to Labours open door immigration policy. And that population is declining.
How can it be racism to state a fact?
This is exactly the sort of bleeding heart liberal, PC obsessed attitude that is making people afraid of speaking the truth for fear of reprisal.
Except it isn’t true, at least not how he described it. If he had made a factual statement that the demographics of London are changing, and the proportion of white residents was diminishing, that would be one thing. Suggesting that white people are being ‘ethnically cleansed’ with all the connotations of that phrase, is patently absurd.
Getting back to the F-35, this little gem was in the news thread:
Why Can’t America’s Newest Stealth Jet Land Like It’s Supposed To?
Seems like a par for the course anti-F-35 article, and more than a little light on actual facts.
Personally I think that a lot of the animosity shown towards the EU and its institutions is based on misunderstanding or downright ignorance. If the referendum is a chance to dispel some of this then bring it on – I just don’t have much faith that this will happen. I think we’ll sleepwalk into a costly EU exit, largely because of the problems mentioned.
Please Tango can you do an army news thread. In General Discussion forum maybe. You have Airforces and Navies and now missiles. Armies makes it complete. Please do it. Im sure the rest of the forum would agree it would be great
There used to be an army forum here years ago but it got scrapped, I don’t think the mods would allow it.
Looks like special effects to me.
If it really was the ‘drone’ causing those explosions, wouldn’t it be wise to not sit there hovering among them?
Someone has taken some footage of a bombing run and edited in the ‘drone’.