for some reason i have the urge to buy the biggest blimp i can and tour the world, traveling and dropping handfuls of goodies to passers by.

I think he actually means stop being Jews and Stop living in the middle east. This is just yet another example of flexs Jihadi inspired hate. 😡

Judaism doesn’t need its own state any more than Christianity or any other faith. Israel was only set up because of the collective guilt of the world for not doing enough to stop the holocaust (which they are fully guilty of).

In any case, if given the choice of living in a war ravaged land supposedly given to your people by God or leaving more prosperously and peacefully somewhere else, where would you go?

Using your religion as a principle of land ownership is a flawed argument, as even though you yourself may believe that you are right, that does not mean that you are, and in any case others disagree and claim the land is theirs.

Maybe if the UN did what it suppose to and not run away when the Arabs tell them too or allow terrorist organization to bulid position next to theirs, they
will get less hostility form Israel. Perhaps asking someone to do their job is asking to much, after it’s not their problem.

The UN and its troops are dammed either way. The UN is meant to be impartial, you are asking it to take sides and take action on behalf of those it supports.

A UN like this is not what many people would like to see. For example, the UN may decide that it doesn’t like the current regime in Sudan and invades. Do you want a UN with the power to take action like this against its ‘enemies’?

Remember that the international community decided that the Jewish nation had a right to exist in their homeland.

Yes, the international community decided this, but without any consultation of the actual residents. And what exactly makes the lands of Israel the home of the Jews? Is it because they believe that God gave the land to them, because that is what many Muslims believe as well :rolleyes:

If all one needs is a religious belief that land belongs to oneself, then surely the native americans should be allowed to evict the European Settlers in North America? :confused:

The state if Israel was founded on a criminal act of the confiscation of homes and mistreatment of the palestinian people. When Jews fought back against this kind of oppression in the Warsaw ghetto, they were considered heroes.

This in no way justifies attacks on civilians (on either side), but armed resistance of any people who are oppressed is only natural. The Israeli people have as much right to life, liberty and happiness as every other human being, but the state of Israel denies this right to the palestinian people by its existence. The Holy Land is not purely and simply the Homeland of the Jews, it is the homeland of many faiths. To create a state based on and controlled by one of many peoples that orginates there in the manner in which Israel was created will never work.

An example: A foreign power invades Britain, and all its residents are evicted from their homes and forced to live in squalid conditions in East Anglia. A new population is brought in to the rest of the land to live there, and promptly sets up a new government.British natives are treated as second class citizens.

Should the Brits recognise the new government imposed on them?
Are the Brits entitled to resist their oppressors?
Why should the Brits settle for anything less than complete liberation of their homeland?
If after 50 years of mistreatment, half-hearted measures are made at Brit self governance, does that mean that the new nation is fully vindicated for its crimes?

Replace the above word British with Palestinian and you see what I’m getting at.

Sooner or later, either Hezbollah will do something rash again, or Israel’s going to be forced to go in again to destroy the threat to its people.

Remember, peace is not the absence of conflict, but the absence of threat. The peace on the Israel-Lebanon border right now is a false one, and UNIFIL isn’t doing anything to turn it into a real one.

I agree that Israel certainly has a right to defend itself, but the problem with what you suggest is that you forget how much of a threat Israel is percieved as by some in the middle east. They see fighting Israel as defending themselves in an attempt to liberate their land (which, lets not forget was illegally stolen from them and given to Israel).

The way they go about this is often completely counter productive, as few in the west would lend support to an organisation that deliberately targets civilians (which i find deplorable). The IDF does not deliberately target civilians, and Israel takes a responsible stance on its own defence, but until the route problem is adressed, the issue of Palestinian sovereignty, these problems will never go away.

As for these incidents, IDF fighters taking shots at UN forces should well expect to be fired upon. The pilots should know better.

The japanese industry could be right up there if it is given the means to be. But then i suppose if you threw enough money at it, any nation could develop a world class avaiation industry, given time.

well, if its true that would certainly make sense.