Hi ajw – Yes sorry – should have said in my post – I have a bit of an issue about selling artifacts from crash sites – I feel it is a matter of respect – this cartridge will stay in the breech of the .303.
I have one fired .303 cartridge that is definitely from a Spitfire – it was still in the breech, presumably having fired on impact and I suspect the projectile is still somewhere in the barrel – the gun being so badly damaged in the crash + 60 years burial, it was officially declared outside the terms of the act by a police firearms inspector. I would think this is about the only way you are going to have a cartridge that is definitely fired by a Spitfire?
I have one fired .303 cartridge that is definitely from a Spitfire – it was still in the breech, presumably having fired on impact and I suspect the projectile is still somewhere in the barrel – the gun being so badly damaged in the crash + 60 years burial, it was officially declared outside the terms of the act by a police firearms inspector. I would think this is about the only way you are going to have a cartridge that is definitely fired by a Spitfire?
When I first read the article, I have to say I assumed the absence of any detail concerning H R was out of sensitivity, as they are freely publishing the identity of the aircraft and crew – presumably before JCCC have been informed or had time to trace / contact relatives? However, thinking about it now, since when did journalists show any sensitivity! and I did find the detail they went into regarding the personal effects a bit much after reading it right through too.
When I first read the article, I have to say I assumed the absence of any detail concerning H R was out of sensitivity, as they are freely publishing the identity of the aircraft and crew – presumably before JCCC have been informed or had time to trace / contact relatives? However, thinking about it now, since when did journalists show any sensitivity! and I did find the detail they went into regarding the personal effects a bit much after reading it right through too.
Portable oxygen bottle.
Portable oxygen bottle.
WW2 RAF SPITFIRE COCKPIT REPLICA/SIMULATOR SCALE1:1
Surprised to see this on ebay as though it was the pride and joy of a local group – certainly beyond my means at present, but looks like an awful lot of work went in to it, so probably realistic?
Sorry Moggy – Couldn’t resist it
Ben – perhaps the sudden proliferation of dambusters related relics on a certain online auction site could be a good starting point?
Thank you for the link – a very well thought out and put together tribute.
de-Havilland Vampire Front Cockpit screen
Is this Vampire – looks strangely familiar to me, but not Vampire :confused:
Let’s not be too hard on them.
They found what they were looking for and more and were very pleased to have done so – nothing more natural than to record the moment.
On later reflection they might possibly have overstepped the mark, but it is patently out of thoughtlessness, not ghoulishness.
And without these guys there would be no prospect of a CWGC burial in the near future.
Moggy
Quite agree – this excavation appears to have been well researched and planned and they were prepared for what they found and dealt with it accordingly.
I do feel that perhaps we in the UK have a rather different viewpoint to those in many European countries though – I have been exploring WWI and WWII battlefields for many years and have met many others who do the same, both British and from other countries – and have probably seen more human remains lying in situ than most. I have always found, that apart from a very few individuals with other motives, that the overriding attitude towards such remains is great respect and understanding of the sacrifice made by those whose remains they are – whatever side they fought on.
However, in many European countries (& further afield) where the battles actually took place and such finds are relatively common, there is a practical need to deal with such remains on an almost daily basis, which perhaps leads to a little familiarity on the part of the finders and conversely a bit of misunderstanding by those who have never had to deal with such things?
A few photos here –http://aviationarchaeology.co.uk/2012-digs/heinkel-he177 – with Gareth giving scale to the said tailwheel leg 😀
Red Arrows directly over our house & Low (Ribchester, Lancs) at around 11:45, then Lancaster over Darwen, Lancs around 14:00 – Driving both times, so only able to glance in their direction 🙁
He is listing the wheels too – ww2 spitfire wheel and tyre – auction being for one wheel & he says he has four available – of course they are all Spitfire and from a crashed aircraft – must be a rare 4×4 variant! 😀
Loads of these still around – my next door neighbour has a trailer with two – we live in a farming area – seems a firm near Southport bought up hundreds at the end of the war and used them to make trailers for farmers for many years afterwards – ideal for the soft ground in the area.