Yep – That’s the one – been on our list for ages & then finally got a lead from a local MD club – the WWII crash site in the next field was a bit of a surprise, but think we have identified it now – it was also one on our list but with no clues as to exact location. Hoping to return in the next couple of weeks with a few more detectors – Witness says the engine did not penetrate, but shot across the field through a couple of hedgerows before ending up in a bog – must have been pretty intact as doesn’t seem to have shed any bits along its path – Hoping there will be something at the initial impact site ๐
Thanks Mike.
An interesting point about the site is that i was told it made a crater in the field on impact, but although hilly there’s no dent or deviation other than natural lay of the land. They must of made a good job of filling it in.
It may warrant a closer look when the weathers warmer.
Rob
Rob – Get a Forster or two-box on it – Even if it didn’t go in, if there was any hole it would have been a good place to dispose of parts when they were “clearing” the site.
Incidentally we are also on the trail of a Wyvern – only witnesses traced so far were only young boys at the time and only allowed close enough to see scattered parts – only found a couple of tiny bits so far and we reckon they have indicated the wrong field + now found out a single engined aircraft came down hard in another field close by during WWII – so now the weathers picking up……….;)
Virtually every weekend is a free listing weekend, list your item free of charge, ask or a fortune and wait for the fish to bite, a waiting game with nothing to loose..
Yep, Fly.Buy is spot on – free listing every other week – brilliant if you are having a clear-out like me ๐ But it also encourages this type of seller ๐ก – Fortunately for me Very few of these ridiculously inflated price items represent anything I actually want – even a Nimrod leg as a very expensive garden ornament :rolleyes:, but it must be very frustrating if you have a project that needs something – I often wonder if the seller is just fishing and waiting for offers off eb@y to avoid their fees?
The fact that they appear again and again ad nauseum does seem to suggest that either nobody wants the item or the seller really is too greedy to let the item find its own true value in the market?
I think its a 9mm browning but im not a gun expert… ๐
Does it not say on the deactivation certificate?
Youโre buying second-hand underwear from eBay! :diablo:
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I guess that’s one good reason why the winner is now anonymous – though I would be surprised if that was the reason EBay introduced it!
I have used ebay for buying & selling for longer than I care to recall and seem to remember that the big issue being discussed everywhere around the time they announced the privacy for buyers regime was schill bidding – In fact things were getting pretty heated, including on here IIRC. The only way ebay would actually take action was if someone reported (with proof) that it had occurred – It may seem a bit simplistic, but ebay made buyers identities invisible and hey presto you had no idea who you were bidding against and the problem suddenly disappeared! ๐ฎ However, anyone with any intelligence just has to look at the number of items that get bid up to high values – “Sell” and then reappear at equally high starting bids or BINs.
However, its not all negative (glass half full & all that;)) – I confess that I collect WWI Trench Art and there was one particular bidder who seemed to go for every item I did and I never beat him – despite going absolutely silly on a couple of occasions – True I did get really worked up about this – though I would never consider the actions already described on here – and it got to the point where if I saw he was interested I would not even bid – Take away my knowledge of who I am bidding against and things get a lot more rational – I don’t even join the crowd in the doorway at the back of physical auctions anymore ๐
One things that does irritate me slightly though is the current trend for private auctions – I can see why ebay introduced them – personal items, underwear etc and at first that was the only place you saw them. Now they are everywhere – as far as I can see there can only be one purpose for this and that is the seller wanting to hide some dodgy bidding activity – be it from other bidders, the taxman – whatever – I am sure there will be sellers on here who will now defend the use of this – but they should be aware that whatever their reason – from a buyers point of view it can only look suspicious and I am certainly not alone in being very reluctant to bid on such auctions.
Dear boy are you thinking of the quarry at Aspatria ???.
As with many of the stories – they either get exaggerated out of all recognition or leave a few key details out – in this case the fact that the aircraft in question were burnt before they were bulldozed into the quarry and that large quantities of toxic waste were dumped there too – not just asbestos IIRC.
Firebex – Hope you washed your hands ๐ฎ
Yes absolutely. Bit confusing whether the items actually belong to the seller or will be purchased from the MoD on the buyer’s behalf. From my viewpoint hard to see how some of the items could possibly sell for even a fraction of the asking price.
Does seem odd I agree – The inference ceratinly seems to be that these are direct MOD disposals, but if you looks at the sellers “ME” page, there is the following:
“XXXXX is a supplier of UK Military Surplus stock, located in Staffordshire. We specialise in Aviation and Land items and all of our stock has been issued as part of a UK MoD surplus asset contract.”
So it would seem not!
As for pricing – the BINs are certainly ambitious – but all seem to have the “or best offer” option, so if anyone is interested in anything bid what you want to pay – when enough low bids come in, they may get the message? or perhaps not? :rolleyes:
The location is certainly not a secret known only to Tigger, which really seems to be their only claim to exclusivity โ It was pointed out to me 20+ years ago, when the props were still visible and plenty of enthusiasts I know are well aware of its location.
However having had firsthand experience of uncovering a complete twin engine WWII aircraft that has been subject to prolonged exposure to saline conditions, I am well aware of the state it is likely to be in. Recovering a complete airframe is a whole different ball game to recovering an engine, especially when it likely to be corroded to the point of imminent collapse if any attempt is made to move it in one piece. A single engine fighter would be difficult enough, but something the size of a P-38 would magnify the difficulties tenfold IMO.
Additionally all the publicity and spin will have probably raised people’s expectations of what can be achieved beyond what is practically possible (seems to be a bit of a trend these days!) and woe betide the group that tries and fails to recover it intact and deliver a nice shiny stable museum exhibit at the end of the process โ possibly explaining the lack of alternative contenders?
Gunsights
Thought these look nice – don’t seem to turn up that often any more – though am a bit puzzled as to how much of them is “replica”?
Glad I bought mine years ago though! :p
ww2 raf spitfire/hurricane/beaufighter mk2N reflector gunsight
ww2 raf spitfire/hurricane, mk1 oval glass top, reflector gunsight
Ownership of ALL parts recovered was transferred to the licence holder, as is normal practice, so they were only ever on loan to the Millom museum and the liquidators had no rights to them – That said all did not go well whilst they were in the museum’s custody.
The rear fuselage was more corrosion than metal and once the crystalline corrosion products holding it together began to dissolve, it fell apart slowly – as some had predicted from the start. The vertical fin with the serial number on was saved and is safely stored. The engines were stabilised fairly successfully – complete with their propellers and are also safely in storage as are the undercarriage legs, including the nosewheel and cockpit floor section from the second A-26.
A significant amount of material, including bomb bays with all the bomb racks still mounted, exhaust stubs, various panels etc was apparently stored in premises rented to the museum and was apparently lost when these premises were due to be demolished and someone decided the contents were not worth recovering? Most of the guns and the first turret recovered were blown to pieces by EOD to ensure they were “safe”. The second turret was dismantled whilst at the museum and many parts were “lost”.
Most smaller items, including control column, rudder pedals, pilot’s seat, etc are also safely stored, but an engine maker’s plate and cockpit ashtray also disappeared from the museum.
If anyone is interested in displaying these items please get in touch.
I suppose the real problem here was the concentration of contaminated instruments in one place – far more than even a museum would ever be likely to hold + many seemed to be stored outside in long since deteriorated packaging with little weather protection + they were in the middle of a residential area. An unusual set of circumstances that perhaps could have been explained better?
The comment about the forklift needs to considered in the context of the amount of protective gear everyone was wearing to avoid ingestion of radioactive material ๐ฎ
Good point smirky – working in close proximity to plant equipment with restricted movement and limited visibility is not a good situation + as someone else pointed out there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of hi-viz to aid the drivers of the plant to see the personnel!
All in all, apart from the waste of historic material, it seems odd there are so many H&S inconsistencies in what is obviously a H&S promotional video!
So the ones that are not “hot” are thrown in a dustbin then tipped from a great height into a skip – just to make absolutely sure they are rendered useless to anyone in the future I assume? ๐ก
Even the H & S “expert” seemed to indicate that working in proximity to fork lifts and machinery etc was the biggest danger here!
Certainly sounds like an interesting book – will try to persuade work to buy a copy ๐
Excavated an ex 41 Sqn. Spitfire XIV a few years ago – RN 210 which was carrying out daily armed reconnaissance sorties whilst based at Eindhoven with 41 Sqn. On the 25th April 1945 it was involved in an incident whilst on operational flying which resulted in it being classified category AC. This resulted in the aircraft being returned to 409 Repair and Servicing Unit – Always wondered what had happened?
Stuka Control Column
WW2 German Airforce Junkers Ju 87A Stuka KG IIA Control Column Ultra Rare
Looks like a lot of work has gone into making this presentable, but leaves me wondering how much is original and is it that rare it warrants the starting bid?