Production rate is one a month.

So those who state that it’s in production already are perhaps wrong? Or will they really store all those expensive radars until installation in 2013?

Typhoon is a great fighter no doubt however it is rather expensive and the lack of support of the partner countries is not very comforting… it is rather strange, you would think that 4 large European countries would manage to do much better!

And even if it’s a great fighter it remains a 4 – 4.5 gen fighter. Much better than F-16 but far away from F-22, and soon it will also be behind the F-35.

There are reasons why it has found only two export countries in spite of heavy lobbying from the partners.

Brazil has plans to create with its partners a basic continental South American defense allowing the region to have a voice in the world and discourage those who want to master their natural resources, said on Monday, 14, Brazilian Defense Minister Nelson Jobim.
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Jobim lamented the heavy dependence on logistics that currently the region has with respect to the outside and said that it is therefore necessary that the military industry to develop the productive side of South America.
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Before the visit of Jobim, the Uruguayan government indicated that its intention is to create an association with Brazil for the development of military aircraft industry, as well as several commercial agreements for the purchase of war materiel.

According to Uruguay, the idea would be to create an association that allows the installation of a factory somewhere in the country in cooperation with Brazil to produce parts for military aircraft.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.estadao.com.br%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Cbrasil-pretende-criar-base-sul-americana-para-ter-voz-no-mundo%2C679744%2C0.htm

Sounds strange to me — another funny move by Jobim (without the blessing of the new president) or is this for real?

Anyway Jobim’s reference to “independence” seem to me to indicate that he is still pushing the Rafale. On verra!

Because Pakistan uses it…and there is no guarantee American aid in future will not make the Pakistani ones the equivalent of the Indian ones.

It is one more reason to buy the expensive jets in the competition.. because Pakistan cannot hope to buy the more expensive jets in any numbers.

Does it not bother India that Russia sold a advanced SU-30 version to China? Still you keep ordering more SU-30. Seems inconsistent to me.

Also, if Pakistan wants a more capable jet they could always go for the F-35 in the future… Perhaps the US could give some to Pakistan ? Nothing like a local arm race to strengthen the US defence economy… :diablo:

Sancho78,

I have asked these questions many times before but I don’t think I have seen an answer yet:

So if Gripen NG cannot meet the requirements of the MMRCA why was it invited? And why has the IAF left the impression at Saab that the NG meets the technical requirements?

With 4 other contenders (MiG35 would by default also be out if you are right) it’s not like there would be no competition with an early NG exit (or no NG participation at all).

One possible explanation is that you are wrong and that the NG actually has a (theoretical) chance of winning since it will be able to meet the requirements. You believe otherwise so I am waiting for your explanation to this mystery.

Anyway, I agree that politics will determine, and that most likely either F-16 or SH will win.

Signatory, you mention them as being “peacetime” numbers, but Ola Ringell said that these were the limits of the aircraft although they they did test to upto 70 deg AoA during post-stall maneuvers. But the safe limits are 26 deg and operational pilots cannot exceed these limits.

The same is true for the G limits as well, according to Ola Ringell. So, as far as any operational engagement goes, the limits would be firmly 9G/-3G and the FCS would not allow the pilot to exceed these limits. Only during flight tests did they have the capability of over-riding MLL.

I’m not scoffing at those numbers, merely stating that what test pilots do during flight testing is not necessarily what combat pilots would be allowed to do.

But where does he say that Gripen does not have “wartime settings” ?

Other sources have stated that it is indeed possible to override and go to 10g.

that, my friend is not fact but a personal opinion, a very biased one as well I might add.

even after page after page of info/facts/numbers have been fed to you that there’s not much to chose between tejas Mk2 and gripen NG, you still repeat the same thing like a broken record.

scooter would be proud of your performance :p

the only differentiator I see is the meteor, which can be mated to the LCA as well if required. otherwise there’s no way in hell the grip can take on a flanker, esp the newer varieties.

Well if the mk2 will be as good as the NG why not cancel the whole MMRCA, replace half the MMRCA with SU-30mki, the other half with mk2? If what you’re claiming is correct the whole MMRCA things is of no use at all, it’s redundant.

And for the IAF it would be a great bonus to reduce the number of fighters it needs to operate. So why don’t they cancel the MMRCA?