I seem to recall all the vitriol coming from a single source :confused:
Moggy
I wonder does he know his ban has run out?
If he didn’t he does now :rolleyes:
Hypothetically speaking, could you end up with two aircraft with exactly the same provenance?
For instance if I legally acquired the original structure, fuselage, wings etc but without the data plate, but with conclusive evidence that it was XA123 in the former of paint work and stencilling, and you, who has a restored airframe in the markings of XA123 with the legally acquired data plate bolted to it.
I wonder how the law would view this scenario, would the sum of the parts prevail over ownership of the dataplate ?
Voytech – Our records show on 05 Aug 42, BL628 going to 308 SQD as ZF-? at Heston, Middlesex. Would this be correct? That wouldn’t be a polish or USAAF unit would it?
Talk to you all soon,Robert Flindall
Director
National Heritage Warbird Foundation
http://www.warbirdfoundation.org
[email]rob@warbirdfoundation.org[/email]
Hi Rob
ZF is the Sqn code for 308 (Krakow) Sqn of the Polish airforce. However I am fairly sure Voytech is correct, on review, the movement card that I have appears to state 308fs.
This may help to solve the query :-
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=58856&highlight=Dunsfold
Vulcan XA894 takes off, from the look of it on the power of the one underslung Olympus. It was not to last long.

Photo c/o Rolls Royce plc
On the 3rd December 1962, XA894 was positioned on the detuner at Filton for a ground run and full power check; the detuner was to the north of the main east/west runway. At around 3.30pm, power was increased to maximum reheat; the exhaust flame evident in the darkening winter evening. Seconds later there was a sudden burst of orange flame above and below the aircraft. The whole aircraft lurched visibly forward. Inside the cabin the four occupants clearly felt the shock as the engine abruptly failed. The bomb bay fire warning lights flashed and then abruptly went out as the firewire cabling was cut. The crew did not hang about. They began evacuating as fast ignoring the crew ladder. The last man out noted that the LP disk cooling air gauge still read within limits; so that had not been the cause.
The cause of the failure was the last thing on the test engineers minds at this stage as they ran for cover. Within seconds the fire took hold as burning fuel poured from the aircraft, which was on a very slight slope. The attendant Filton fire truck, required for all ground runs was parked in front of the aircraft. But so fast did the fire move that almost before the firemen knew it the flames had completely engulfed the tender. They tried vainly to extinguish it but the fire was still being fed by fuel from the aircraft; they had no choice but to just monitor the total destruction of XA894 and their fire tender.
The airfield fire crews had been very proud of their tender, which was kept in immaculate condition and had won several awards. They continued to monitor the fire, which burned well into the evening with brilliant white balls of burning magnesium rising in a continuous fountain above the fire. It made quite a display for the factory staff who witnessed it.When later they were able to reconstruct the failure and establish a chain of events it transpired that again the LP turbine disk had been ejected from the engine. But not before first travelling around the strengthened bomb bay carving open two 150-gallon stainless steel fuel tanks in its progress out. It exited the airframe and hit the ground shedding what remained of the turbine blades, which bouncing back up like shrapnel, puncturing each wing tank. The disk itself ripped a ten foot gash in the port wing leading edge before proceeding east, in great 150 foot bounces; the marks of its passage were clearly visible on the ground and it finally came to rest just short of a T188 supersonic research aircraft being prepared for a test flight.
B1 XA903 on retirement from the Blue Steel programme was converted to carry the Olympus 593 destined to power Concorde.
” as you may well know parliment has banned fox hunting with dogs, so the concensus of public opinion is one of distain.
This is how sad this forum has become. Only things people do not “frown apon” and only things that the majority of the uk people agree with can be discussed in this forum.
No and no, the majority of the UK people did not agree with the ban on foxhunting, and hunting with dogs has not been banned, the “killing” of foxes, hares and deers with dogs has been banned, but it is still perfectly legal to go out with a pack of hounds hunting.
Dean, I think the majority of people on this forum are big, old and ugly enough to make up our own minds, without censorship thanks.
” as you may well know parliment has banned fox hunting with dogs, so the concensus of public opinion is one of distain.
This is how sad this forum has become. Only things people do not “frown apon” and only things that the majority of the uk people agree with can be discussed in this forum.
No and no, the majority of the UK people did not agree with the ban on foxhunting, and hunting with dogs has not been banned, the “killing” of foxes, hares and deers with dogs has been banned, but it is still perfectly legal to go out with a pack of hounds hunting.
Dean, I think the majority of people on this forum are big, old and ugly enough to make up our own minds, without censorship thanks.
Try doing a search here Nils :-
I’m sure the rebuild of ‘689 was mentioned in a recent Aeroplane article on Airframe Assemblies.
Maybe Daz, unfortunately I don’t subscribe to any aviation magazines at the moment.
Spade Grip I think your list may need up dating. I may be wrong, but, P Arnold may have disposed of EN224 and LA564. Maybe Mark12 can confirm this, I believe his wife is closely associated with the said Mr P Arnold ?
After coming across a particularly nasty piece of footage on Youtube, I’d be interested to know the state of the RM689 rebuild.
Welcome to the forum Robert, I would like to wish you luck with the project. Any idea how much you will have to raise to realise your dream/aims ?
Here is a potted history of BL628
Built at Castle Bromwich, Birmingham, 1942.
12MU, Jan. 1942.
401 RCAF, Gravesend, Feb. 1942 to become the regular mounto of G.B. Murray who named it Marion after his girlfriend, during this time credited with two Fw190`s damaged, one Fw190 destroyed.
308 Sqn, August 1942.
167 Sqn, August 1942.
610 Sqn, October 1942.
Transferred to Royal Navy, 1943 and converted to hooked Spitfire configuration at Cunliffe Owen Aircraft Ltd, June 1943
899 Sqn FAA for training at Belfast transferred to St Merryn Cornwall 1944 where if suffered a collaspsed undercarriage 5 February 1944.
Finally transferred to 719 and then 794 Sqns FAA at St.Merryn, eventually being struck off charge and abandoned.
Remains found on a farm near St. Merryn 1977 purchased and shipped to Australia by Peter Croser & Michael Aitchison.
Shot of BL628 with 401 Sqn, apologies to the person who sent me this I’ve lost the email.

hi
I have photos of warnes with whirlwinds, but he looks different, unless the war aged/changed his face, (a possibility maybe)jerry
It’s not Warnes, I have a photo but can’t upload for some reason.
Not of course forgetting the loss of the pilot. Bruce
Agreed.
My own thoughts that an airframe, once destroyed or involved in a “fatal” crash should not be resurrected have been viewed on this forum several times in the past.
The pictures that were doing the rounds of the TE566 crash showed a substantially destroyed airframe, with very little intact forward of the tail unit. I guess very little of TE566 pre-crash will be used in the Australian rebuild.
Just slightly off topic, Lancaster MkI, R5508, KM-B was the mount of Sqn Ldr John Nettleton VC on April 17 1942 during the infamous low level, day light raid to Augsburg by 6 Lancasters from 44 Sqn and 6 from 97 Sqn, of the 12 aircraft Nettleton’s was the only 44 Sqn aircraft to return.
44 Sqn aircraft :-
Warrant Officer G. T. Rhodes, L7536 H (Crew lost, shot down by Major Oesau)
Flying Officer J. Garwell DFC DFM, R5510, A (3 Crew lost, shot down by AA over target)
Flight Lieutenant N. Sandford, R5506, P (Crew Lost, shot down by Feldwebel Bosseckert)
Warrant Officer J. E. Beckett, L7565, V (Crew Lost, shot down by Hauptmann Heine Greisert )
Warrant Officer H. V. Crum in L7548, T (Crew POW, shot down by Unteroffizier Pohl)
97 Sqn Aircraft :-
Squadron Leader J. S. Sherwood DFC in Lancaster L7573, OF-K. (crew lost, shot down by AA over target)
Warrant Officer Mycock DFC in Lancaster, R5513, P (crew lost, shot down by AA over target)
Flying Officer E. A. Deverill DFM (RTB, severely damaged)
Wing Commander Rod Rodley DSO
Flight Lt Hallows,
Flight Lt Penman DFC
Of the 12 aircraft 7 were lost along with 85 men of which 49 were missing. Nettleton’s aricraft was so badly damaged, he nearly over flew the UK all together finally landing near Blackpool. For his leadership he was awarded the VC.
I had the pleasure of meeting and regularly exchanging emails with the late Bert Dowty, who was the front gunner on Crum’s Lancaster on this operation.