Apparantly Ray said “OK – but I like it that way!” so as far as I was concerned the case was closed 🙂

Just about sums it up really, we can all nick pick, wrong colour, wrong roundels, wrong wheels, wrong exhaust stubs, too many prop blades etc……

At the end of the day, it’s their aircraft and up to them how they deck them out, whether accurate or not 😉

Didn’t take the ‘DOOMSTERS’ long to climb aboard this thread did it! Just can’t keep it to themselves……

1. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
2. A public meeting place for open discussion.
3. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
4. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
5. A court of law; a tribunal.

I therefore think that those of us who are still sceptical as to whether this will happen or not, are allowed to voice that scepticism.

I for one am big enough to swallow those words, if, by a miracle the Vulcan does fly again, until then I remain a sceptic.

The Vulcan was bought for the nation therefore the price of appearances should be pegged to allow for the most possible widespread appearances i.e Scotland and indeed parts of the country which get hardly any displays such as Cornwall and Wales.

If it “does” take to the sky next year, some how I reckon this will not be feasible considering the costs that they will have to cover.

Interesting subject.

Out of interest how does this affect various Historic Aviation Magazines?

Some publish photo’s from ‘Joe Bloggs’, during his time in the forces, whilst he was stationed at some ‘exotic’ location, during the 50’s/60’s.

I guess going by the letter of the law as I read it, they should be considered Crown Copyright, if taken by a serviceman on active duty. However I doubt whether the authorities would expel the energy and expense of chasing after, and proving that, every snap by a serviceman was Crown Copyright.

However if the revenue from publishing such photographs starts going through the roof, watch out they’ll be claiming Crown Copyright all over the shop.

I think the problem really being discussed by this thread is the plagiarism of more recent pieces of work, and the posting of such pictures on/in other media forms without the permission of the copyright owner, which I hope the legal snippets that I have posted helps to clarify.

EN830 – Rather useful stuff !

I hope so. 😉 I’m in the process of doing a law related diploma and have had to trawl through a lot of these websites for info. I must say, don’t take it as gospel; I have found many glaring errors in relation to what I am studying, on some “allegedly” reputable sites.

This may help in this debate

http://www.direct.gov.uk Crown copyright is copyright material which is produced by employees of the Crown in the course of their duties. Therefore, most material originated by ministers and civil servants is protected by Crown copyright

and just in case there’s any doubt the same definition from http://www.opsi.gov.uk

A. Copyright material which is produced by employees of the Crown in the course of their duties. Most material originated by ministers and civil servants is protected by Crown copyright. For guidance about a range of copyright and access issues see the Crown copyright guidance notes.http://www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/crown-copyright/copyright-guidance/index.htm

From http://www.is4profit.com

The general rule is that the author is the first owner of copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work. In the case of films, the principal director and the film producer are joint authors and first owners of copyright. The main exception is where a work or film is made in the course of employment, in which case the employer owns the copyright. The copyright in sound recordings, broadcasts and published editions generally belongs to the record producer, broadcaster or publisher.

No. Copyright exists independently of the medium on which a work is recorded. So if, say, you have bought or inherited a painting, you only own any copyright in it if that also has been transferred to you.

Is material on the Internet protected by copyright?
Yes. Under UK law (the position in other countries may differ) copyright material sent over the Internet or stored on web servers will generally be protected in the same way as material in other media. So anyone wishing to put copyright material on the Internet, or further distribute or download such material that others have placed on the Internet, should ensure that they have the permission of the owners of rights in the material.

Copyright in a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (including a photograph) lasts until 70 years after the death of the author. The duration of copyright in a film is 70 years after the death of the last to survive of the principal director, the authors of the screenplay and dialogue, and the composer of any music specially created for the film. Sound recordings are generally protected for 50 years from the year of publication. Broadcasts are protected for 50 years and published editions are protected for 25 years.

For copyright works created outside the UK or another country of the European Economic Area, the term of protection may be shorter. There may also be differences for works created before 1 January 1996.

You lot have been living on an island for too long!

Maybe so, but at least our big neighbours don’t habitually use the country for military manoeuvres every 60 to 80 years 🙂

Quite refreshing, whilst most of euroland suffocates in bureaucracy and micro-management.

Created by the French in the first instance 😉

However I am now waiting to hear that in fact his tail was shot off, and that both he and N!gger were seen in a certain hostelry in Liverpool in 1945 on VE night throwing down copious quantities of lager. This then led to both of them becoming ‘legless’ in the traditional manner of 99.999% of aircrew. 😀

While I don’t want to hi-jack this thread, I think I must share a photograph that I have received from a fiend of mine in Australasia. According to his email DB and N!gger were not the only note-worthy individuals to have stayed at the Storch Hotel in Livergrad. By all accounts is has been the favoured haunt of many high profile people, wishing to get away, over the years, as his photograph shows.

I have inspected this photograph closely, and can confirm that is hasn’t been doctored in any way or form, it is as genuine as a Tony Blair address to the house of commons.