Totaly OT, but Berkut I like your avatar. Have you got the new one?
What is BIP? I assume similar to GDP/GNP?
The plane on the shelf looks like a Flanker! 😮
I can understand training in Pakistan and Egypt – both are F-16 operators.
It’s like the Japanese “order” of 42 when in fact the Japanese have 4 on order and 42 is total requirement.
A few things about Singapore:
1. Singapore practices dispersed runways tactics – i.e. using road networks. F-35B’s STOVL is useful here.
2. Singapore is the premier AF in SE Asia (and is comparable to RAAF). Since the 1990s it always brought the latest US combat gear (F-16C/D-52, F-15SG. AH-64D). There’s a bit of national pride there in addition to operational requirements.
The F-35 purchase would’ve happened even if Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand brought Sopwith Camels.
3. I think in some ways, Singapore views itself as in the same boat as Israel – surrounded by large, threatening neighbours and much like Israel it strives for an overkill level technological edge.
Unlike Israel, Singapore also maintains a numerical edge against countries with much bigger populations.
If the F-22 was available, I wouldn’t have been surprised to see Singapore putting its hands up for some.
In fact if US built F-36 X-Wing + B-3 Deathstar combo was available, Singapore would be jumping on the bandwagon.
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I think the true test of F-35 marketability will be Danish, Canadian, Finnish, Belgian and other European comps.
I think the F-35 market is assured in Asia just like sales of F-5s and F-16s were assured. US aligned Asian states do not buy anything European.
As stated Latin America and Africa are largely non-markets and most of Middle East is a no-go.
Hence European fighter comps + Canada are where the F-35 will prove itself.
The key point I am trying to make here is that the Chinese used the human wave attack since before the time of Christ and will do it again to defeat a technologically superior enemy like the USAF and the USN in the air battles inside the first island chain with a wave of fighter jets, so it is critical to prepare for the Chinese human wave attack in the air.
But infantry human wave attacks generally don’t work.
Even in WWII, Soviets used quite sophisticated techniques to breach strongpoints (combined arms, smoke, development of heavy breakthrough armour).
Meanwhile the Japanese bled themselves dry with idiotic banzai charges.
As for human wave tactics in the air, weren’t Israelis generally outnumbered by Egyptians in 1970 and 1973?
It all comes down to pilot quality.
Flooding the sky with J-6 or J-7 isn’t really a viable tactic.
And given how slowly China produces aircraft, any large scale losses would be devastating.
Especialy if the goal of those large scale losses was the tactical victory over Taiwan and with no reserve left for other operations.
And funnily enough, the Taiwanese quality has been eroded to the point where China probably has some sort of parity.
I guess if you’re job is shooting down B-52s then the performance decrease isn’t that important.
With the F-35 coming online the USN wouldn’t likely want to invest to much in the far less capable Super Hornet.
The Navy has been treading very carefully with F-35.
I suspect they’re waiting to see if new hook works and the thing can land on a carrier!
This sale was always going to happen.
Singapore hasn’t brought non-US since Hawker Hunters in the 1960s.
I was expecting Singapore’s first sale to be for 20-24 a/c as this is their usual purchase size as their squadrons are 20 a/c strong.
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I don’t think the death spiral will happen.
What I think will happen:
1. Reduced US orders – not cause the F-35 is crap, but because the current level of US defence spending is unsustainable.
2. Possible reduced European orders – again not because F-35 is crap, but because Europe has been on decline since WWI and they can’t afford their toys.
3. Some loss of orders due to delays – e.g. RAAF (but not total cancellation).
4. Success in Asia – Japan, Singapore and though most people don’t think it’ll happen, South Korea.
5. Israel will gobble up F-35s as fast as Uncle Sam is willing to provide them.
6. No real sales in Latin America or Africa – nothing new here.
7. Loss of sales to Middle East due to sensitivity of aircraft, Israeli issue and the fact that UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia and possibly Qatar and Kuwait are most likely going to go for Rafales or Eurofighters either now or in the near future..
Chinese have been fighting wars with farmers for 2000 years, even these people have uses in the classical Chinese human wave attack tactic.
But it’s the 21st century and we’ve had machine guns and rapid fire artillery since the late 19th century.
Human wave tactics do not work especially against modern troops with assault rifles and SAWs at fireteam levels (Korean firepower was same as WWII – BAR/Bren backed up by Garand/Lee Enfield).
A modern English army squad of 8 guys has 2 belt fed SAWS, 2 UGLs and a belt fed GPMG (and the balance in L85 assault rifles). That’s more firepower than a WWII platoon. Multiply that squad by 3 per platoon and 3 platoons per company.
Add in company level GPMGs, far more accurate artillery, far better tanks, Infantry Fighting Vehicles, AH-64s and guided weapon strikes by fast jets and the human wave guys are dead before they get close.
Surely even the Chinese understand this or are they too stupid and primitive? :rolleyes:
The experience in Korea is irrelevant to modern warfare – after all we’ve had 70 years of tactical and weapons revolution since then.
Actually it’s more about my info being out of date! :p
Apologies!
What about 8 multirole squadrons in total?
Smaller site indeed but are we looking at a large force of F-35B’s(?) and some sizeable fraction of their number are going to be elsewhere for much of the time.
That will depend on whether both carriers get commissioned as fast jet carrying ships (or commissioned at all).
If only 1 carrier is acquired then the F-35s will be spending more time at land bases than at sea.
Any news on which squadrons will be assigned F-35s?
Are they going to be current Tornado squadrons or re-established units?