Interesting photos. Thanks for sharing.
Rest of photo album is cool too but also sad to see those aircraft being scraped.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Serbia brings something else to the bargaining table that is in some ways worth more than cash.
And that’s a potential intelligence base smack bang in the middle of NATO.
Russians have reinstated their Mediterranean Squadron and so are obviously interested in expanding their influence in the region.
Serbia no longer has sea access but is surrounded by several NATO partners (Hungary, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria) and are relatively close to some major NATO players (Greece, Italy). NATO has been upgrading bases around the region (especially Papa AFB in Hungary – home to NATO C-17 fleet).
Hence I wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians install some covert ELINT/SIGINT units in Serbia to gather intelligence.
In exchange Serbia gets weapons.
Just a theory, but if I was the Russians it’d be what I’d be pushing for.
If the Soviets had there version of AWACS in place and the the Iraqis has the same lack of one, same results.
How capable was a 1980s A-50?
Also USSR ddin’t have E-8 J-STARS equivalent which was first used in 1991.
MiG-21 is not designed as a dog fighter. It’s a point defence interceptor designed to blast incoming bombing formations. It just happens to have certain factors that contribute to decent performance.
F-4 dominated over MiG-21 in Israeli-Arab Wars. This included MiG-21s flown by Soviet pilots.
F-16A dominated MiG-21s in Lebanon (even though Syrians claim otherwise but their claims are completely unconfirmed).
Nearly all were WVR combat – early Israeli F-16s were not BVR capable.
Once US got its act together, it’s F-4s were a match for MiG-21. In fact North Vietnamese also got great mileage out of MiG-17.
But an upgraded Mig-21 with TVC and newer avionics, it would be certainly a big diffrence.
TVC? We’re approaching realms of fantasy here. What next – F-86 Sabre could be an F-15 killer if fitted with AESA and AMRAAMS?
No-one is lining up to shove up a TVC on a MiG-21.
There’s also things like aerodynamics and structural integrity to take into account. Just cause you have TVC doesn’t mean you’re airframe is set up to do TVC maneouvring.
Best MiG-21 can get is MiG-21 Bison and from memory MiG-21bis isn’t as nimble as some of the earlier models but I could be wrong.
Shhh…this could jepoardise Croatia’s entire defence plans!
I love how the Sun referred to him as an air ace. So now you don’t even need to fly in A2A combat, let alone shoot down 5 enemy aircraft to be an ace. 😛
This is one of two deployed in support of operations in Mali.
Pakistan-Germany in negotiations for sale of 40 surplus unarmed B0-105s to Pakistan
First of 12 MV-22s delivered to HMX-1
Though US president will not fly in them – only support staff and media.
Who knows, maybe Taiwan will go back and order the 66 F-16C/Ds. Morroco might want more to replace F-5E/Fs.
The F-16 fits a lot of user’s requirements a lot better than Eurocannards, F-35 or Russian aircraft.
Those are not small numbers. Did they really need any more?
They were small compared to the large MiG-21 fleets and overall combat fleets they maintained (often 300-400 a/c). And much smaller or similar sized NATO countries adopted F-16 in much bigger numbers (e.g. Netherlands: 213, Belgium: 160). Even Greece took delivery of large numbers of F-4 Phantoms and 4th generation fighters (F-16, Mirage 2000) in the 1980s.
I mean people (and governments) in the “warsaw pact” really did not seriously expect to go into a conventional war with NATO… it was either to be peacefully resolved or go nuclear! so better to build and operate decent schools, nurseries and hospitals and provide “full employment” to the proletariat than bankrupt yourself buying weapons… note that there were no “queues” for consumer goods in places like Hungary during the 1980s…
I know the soviets and americans took the “cold war” very seriously… but I don’t see the logic of why their small “allies” would do the same (western europe / eastern europe).
The Western Europeans for the most part took it relatively seriously. Hence large militaries.
The economic answer seems to have be correct. If by 1975-80 the Eastern Block started to sustain serious economic problems, then it stands to reason they would’ve stopped acquiring as many modern systems.
Interesting stuff PLA-MKIII.
Most of the MiG-21s were delivered to Warsaw Pact users by late 1970s. This did include ex-Soviet aircraft.
The retirement of MiG-23 instead of MiG-21 came after Berlin Wall fell and these airforces entered a quick death spiral.
The MiG-23 was not particularly more useful or effective than the MiG-21s.
Surely a MiG-23MLA/MLD would be more useful than a MiG-21MF/Bis, let alone a MiG-21PF/PFM.
Nanchang Q-5?

True but the overall export numbers are rather limited and the overall earning are modest, at best. China has focused on emerging markets, that means countries with very limited budget potential. The only two considerable sales thus far are PAF order for JF-17 (so far 50) and EAF order for K-8E (80+40 units)
K-8s sells as well or better than any other advanced trainer aircraft (PC-21, MB-339, Bae Hawk, M-346, Yak-130, T-50) seldom sell more than 24 units.
In fact only Bae Hawk is continuing to sell in reasonable numbers thanks to Indian contract.
K-8s appeal is probably greater than most of the above list due to it being cheaper to acquire and operate and it’s got less export restrictions.
JF-17 is an export failure though.
Very sad news.
Hopefully KC-46A will come on line to replace these old aircraft.
Single page, an M2000 is PAF colours flying over some generic mountains towards the camera. It looked like a doctored Dassault publicity shot of an M2000 flying over the Alps more then likely.
I remember Lockheed putting out a very similar advert in Flight International when NewZealand were buying the undelivered PAF F-16. Lucky for Pakistan that NZ changed their mind on that now most have been delivered to the intended customer.
Actually weren’t 14 of those F-16s delivered to the USN to replace F-16N’s? From memory they’re still in service in an aggressor role with Naval Strike Air Warfare Center .
All those shiny new air defense systems Syria bought aren’t exactly covering themselves in glory…
I doubt they’re even operational to any great degree. Also several air defence bases have been overrun by rebels and others are under siege. Crews have also defected/deserted (including an entire air defence batallion in one instance)
Syrian Air Defence system is now full of holes.
And it was pretty pathetic to begin with – looking at Israeli’s defeating it in 1982 and then effectively disabling it via EW in 2007’s Operation Orchard.